The Fingers Didn't Mean Much...

[Coulter]

I think it's pretty straightforward...I think you're putting way too much thought into this fam.

MMLP = Em's views in 2000 as a 27 year old, blowing up emcee
MMLP2 = Em's views in 2013 as a 41 year old, successful respected overflowing trophy cabinet artist

Not at all pham.

Go and watch Em himself explain MMLP in the time period.

People here / in general totally simplify and miss the point of MMLP1.

It wasn't 'just Em's views' lmao, it was a concept album summed up by the line 'I am whatever you say I am' (why do you think he said that?) - he felt misunderstood and knew he was not homophobic or as much of an evil, devil-minded psycho as mainstream America made him out to be...

So he exploited that and BECAME all those things..

If he made an album based off of that concept, he'd have to make MMLP2 full of mainstream, sell-out tracks. With washed up sounds and inconsistent beats. Maybe add a little Wayne and Drake in the mix. That'll solidify the new 'Eminem' image.

[EminemBase]

I think it's pretty straightforward...I think you're putting way too much thought into this fam.

MMLP = Em's views in 2000 as a 27 year old, blowing up emcee
MMLP2 = Em's views in 2013 as a 41 year old, successful respected overflowing trophy cabinet artist

Not at all pham.

Go and watch Em himself explain MMLP in the time period.

People here / in general totally simplify and miss the point of MMLP1.

It wasn't 'just Em's views' lmao, it was a concept album summed up by the line 'I am whatever you say I am' (why do you think he said that?) - he felt misunderstood and knew he was not homophobic or as much of an evil, devil-minded psycho as mainstream America made him out to be...

So he exploited that and BECAME all those things..

If he made an album based off of that concept, he'd have to make MMLP2 full of mainstream, sell-out tracks. With washed up sounds and inconsistent beats. Maybe add a little Wayne and Drake in the mix. That'll solidify the new 'Eminem' image.

Lmao true. Though he wouldn't have to become them, but just address them and combat them... he began to inhibit the attitude on "Rap God" ("Oh he's too mainstream") but it's fragmented.

I didn't want that concept again though. I'm just saying, that was the concept of MMLP1; people who say 'it's just his views at the time' are totally missing the point and simplifying the album.

[Coulter]

If he made an album based off of that concept, he'd have to make MMLP2 full of mainstream, sell-out tracks. With washed up sounds and inconsistent beats. Maybe add a little Wayne and Drake in the mix. That'll solidify the new 'Eminem' image.

Lmao true. Though he wouldn't have to become them, but just address them and combat them... he began to inhibit the attitude on "Rap God" ("Oh he's too mainstream") but it's fragmented.

I didn't want that concept again though. I'm just saying, that was the concept of MMLP1; people who say 'it's just his views at the time' are totally missing the point and simplifying the album.

Yeah, I understand where you're coming from. But I do think it was a worthy sequel. Of course, every album can be improved upon, but I think it's the best statement that he can represent. The last few lines of 'Bad Guy' set the mood of the album up pretty well. After hearing that, no matter what song I was listening to, it had a gloomy tone to it, as if these were his last words, and he was exaggerating the fun of, let's say, So Far. All I could hear was desperation to milk his last utter. No doubt, almost every song was fantastic.. but I just can't get out of that mindset when I listen.

[EminemBase]

^ There was definitely a poignant and... bittersweet feel to the album...

That definitely shows the power of how Em could perhaps set-up the entire tone of an album from the get-go, using the opening track to set the stage... not that he always hasn't but, he's never done it in that way, where his words make you feel this finite set of emotions and then the music corresponds.

[EminemBase]

He called himself the GOAT / Rap God / fuck top 5 I'm top 4, taking up 2 of those spots... he's cocky as hell this time around.

I think he TRULY doesn't give a fuck this time. He never admitted he thought he was the GOAT or anything in the past. He references it a lot on this album.

I guess there's at least that consistency of cocky confidence when rapping about himself throughout.

[EminemBase]

^ Nahhhh, of course the double middle fingers pic meant something.

The Eminem site had nothing but that image for a while and when the marketing was gearing up, Em made a point of making emphasized middle fingers with his cold-stone stare.

Where as in the Recovery-era / for a while, he had been throwing up peace signs and been relaxed.

[Trilla]

Thought the same when I first heard "The Monster", and then when I first heard the album...

It was all a publicity stunt. Him throwing the middle fingers and dying his hair back to blonde has nothing to do with the album...except for maybe "Berzerk", where he sounds somewhat 2000-ish...eh......

Should have just named the album something else and stuck with the black hair until he was ready to release a consistent and actually great album that would then be titled MMLP 2.

He thought he was ready, but nah, this album isn't worthy to bear the MMLP 2 name.

He fucked up.