Why Do Nas and Jay Get a Pass, But Eminem Doesn't?

[King Lance]

wherever I go, people keep saying that Eminem doesn't deserve to be mentioned amongst the Goats because of his "shitty catalogue".
Look at that new thread: http://www.the-coli.com/booth/129729-if ... alive.html

there are 20 pages of the same thread on Boxden and it's the same with my friends, they're all buying his albums but they still think that he doesn't deserve to be considered as a top 5 goat.
Em isn't one of my favorite rappers anymore but why does Nas (or Jay-Z) get a pass for all his shitty albums, but Em doesn't ?

Do you think Em is disrespected because of his skin color ?

[Snakebeast]

No offense if you know him, Lance, but Billy Ocean is a fucking retard. And so are most of the idiots on that thread.

No worries. I value opinions of actual rappers over those of idiotic bandwagoners.

[Solace]

I'll give Eminem all the passes he wants ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[King Lance]

No offense if you know him, Lance, but Billy Ocean is a fucking retard. And so are most of the idiots on that thread.

No worries. I value opinions of actual rappers over those of idiotic bandwagoners.

I don't really know him but I have a feeling that it's now a "popular" opinion.
A lot of my friends bought his albums but most of them act like Eminem wasn't in the top 10, all of them have the same argument:

"Eminem is a very skilled rapper but he doesn't deserve to be in a top 10 DOA because he released a lot of bad albums (Encore, Relapse, Recovery)"

[Snakebeast]

Relapse is arguably better than SSLP, Encore sucked, but it had some good to meh tracks. Not to mention he most likely forgot half the lyrics to his songs while recording. Recovery was solid.

[Mr.DGAF]

We all know that an album stops being brilliant once you make poor albums after it.

Not to mention that as time goes on, I'm finding more and more that I've outgrown Eminem's old albums. I've moved on to Kanye/Jay. They have much more consistent careers and they're innovators. They brag about their wealth/success in new and interesting ways and they're bringing a new sound to hip hop with the use of samples.

I agree. I'm tired of hearing Em rap as well. Getting kinda played out. Maybe try branching your style out dude? It's fucking 2013.

[PAINKILLƎR]

White man is not to succeed in a black mans world.

[fifflaren]

I don't replay any of his past albums at all. For whatever reason his albums don't age like fine wine.

[eminembound]

We all know that an album stops being brilliant once you make poor albums after it.

True

I've moved on to Kanye/Jay. They brag about their wealth/success.

I fucking hate it when they do that. I really do. And since Em NEVER brags about his wealth so like Solace said

I'll give Eminem all the passes he wants ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Arrinef]

I'm not sure. Only past album I play is the eminen show. Encore did taint his catalog. But I see it as, em doesn't come out of his cave often. Being reclusive is also a big factor

[Fleka]

We all know that an album stops being brilliant once you make poor albums after it.

Not to mention that as time goes on, I'm finding more and more that I've outgrown Eminem's old albums. I've moved on to Kanye/Jay. They have much more consistent careers and they're innovators. They brag about their wealth/success in new and interesting ways and they're bringing a new sound to hip hop with the use of samples.

[Table]

Cause Jay is a businessman, whatever he does is justified; Em is just a marketable gimmick who can rap but doesn't have a "universal" classic. If you put him in your top 20, you lose all your credibility.
Hey, niggas don't dig The Dark Side of the Moon either, but it's not Hip hop so we'll let the white folks decide.

[Fleka]

The best thing is when they say Jay is one of the best rappers because, and I quote: "He is a businessman and he is banging Beyonce".

[Whitefox]

Why are you even bothered by what some random internet fucks think? Relapse is a bad album? TES is a bad album? seriously, what the fuck they are talking about?

Eminem is the best rapper alive - Vibe poll showed this. Eminem is the best rapper ever - Vibe poll showed this. Eminem is one of the greatest - all respected rappers has confirmed this. Eminem is the only rapper who can do impressive numbers on the first week. Eminem has won 13 grammys and oscar.Again, why are you even interested in what they think? Its all pretty clear.

[EminemBase]

I think because he doesn't have as many albums right now so it's not as spread...

Also, because he went BLAM BLAM BLAM - classic, classic, classic, or at least in most people's eyes - classic, classic, awesome, either way his first three are considered great hip-hop.

Then Encore was like one of the hugest drop-offs ever and he's made some of the most inane and silly music ever also; he's as extremely bad as he is extremely good, he's just an extremist...

So, I think it's partly because there was more of an expectation of consistence... where as if he went CLASSIC, decent, okay, decent, okay, CLASSIC etc. like they did... it would 'appear' more consistent due to the hit and miss nature and classics over a long-span of time...

But he set-up the expectation for classic out the gate, again and again and kinda burned himself out; so anything less then just seems like a disappointment...

But in reality, he only has one bad album.

He has two universally acclaimed and one mostly agreed classic / three superb albums, one bad/mixed album, and then two decent albums. So how is that a 'shitty catalogue', his hit rate of decent-classic is better than Nas or Jay's. And overall he's much more consistent and excellent...

Like... look at the pure fucking average shit which litters both their catalogues, just generic ass fucking songs on even some of their better albums... where as Em, even this late in to his career his making out of this world hip-hop like "Stay Wide Awake" and "Almost Famous" that continues to push rhyme and flow to the limit... neither of them are doing that, at all.

They've both been around a lot longer and there's lower expectations of them IMO. Nobody is seriously expecting Nas or Jay to change the game at this point, where as even now people think Em could do it, regardless of how many "Fack"'s he makes, as you just never know, because he always pushes himself and surprises you. Where as Nas and Jay sound the same every release.

Also, I don't think anybody seriously omits Em from a goat discussion when you're talking rap terms; if they do then they're a bitter fucktard or just wanting to feel cool for not liking him as everybody hates loving what lots love, they want to feel different, and Nas and Jay have nowhere near the same level of international acclaim or respect artistically, so it feels more cool to accept them perhaps. But on some real shit, Em's first three > their fucking discogs combined.

He spits with more passion and inventive ideas on one verse on any of those albums than either Nas or Jay do throughout most of their careers... like seriously, go find a Nas or Jay verse which holds a fucking candle to like "Criminal" or "Till I Collapse" verses lmao; they're not even CLOSE.

Ilmatic and Resonable Doubt are great albums, but they're not MMLP's.

Em's creativity and contributions to hip-hop are miles ahead of theirs.