Be honest. Didn't you have the same reaction to Recovery?

[Hopsinshadie]

Go back 3 years ago. When Recovery came out, weren't most Stans saying it was a ''classic?'' Be honest, we all thought it was a classic when it first came out. Heck even when Relapse came out, people said they were surprised. Now that the MMLP Sequel is out, you are acting like you're blown away. Could it not be the fact that the album is still new? What happens in 4 months when the novelty has worn off? Possible, is it possible you'll just deem it another Recovery and want more? Mark my words, that is what's going to happen. You call it a classic now, but in 4 months it won't be. By the time the next album comes out, you're still gonna say his first 3 are classics and you'll forget you called this one a classic. It's just because it's new. Once you get tired of it, you'll go back to the first 3 and deem this another Recovery, trust me. Anyone agree?

[PAINKILLƎR]

No, faggot.

[4Corners]

No.

I liked Recovery but the only GREAT or 9.5-10 songs to me were On Fire, Going Through Changes, and Ridaz.

MMLP2 has Bad Guy, Legacy, Brainless, Headlights, Evil Twin, and Groundhog Day.

He sounds and has that vibe of his past again on certain songs, he's not copying the style, just getting the vibe from it, but in a fresh way.

MMLP2 is dope. Not a classic by any means.

[Kill You]

No, faggot.

This. Please leave, Hopshitshadie.

[EminemBase]

Yeah, weirdly though...

MMLP2 has given me the least kind of... hmm; it's given me what I feel is the most realistic reaction to an Eminem album yet.

Initially, as listening, I felt intrigued in this musical ride; but I don't think the album is a classic. There's not enough of an artistic identity / just a collection of songs. Especially given the title.

I think it's a really good album, with few flaws. Just "Survival" and "Monster", which are compromised songs to give Interscope Recovery-esque single hits, more obvious now from Em's 'label tryna get me to flip' / Recovery line on the album, and proof that Mr. Porter was full of shit when he tried to pretend nobody there influences Em's decisions to change his music.

But yeah, I actually had more of an overblown reaction to Recovery initially. I initially said it 'could be' a future classic but it never felt right saying that, and now I cringe at saying that.

Relapse though, without the last 3 tracks IS a classic to me. And I feel fine and right in saying that and have since it dropped. It has a totally consistent musical, rap and conceptual style carried throughout, unbelievably good rapping, flows, great concepts, themes... it's superb.

Just a shame he stained it so badly at the end. So I never feel comfortable calling even Relapse a classic due to that. I can't erase the end mess.

But I don't think MMLP2 is a classic. It feels like an album which grows on you more, and there's some classic tracks for sure but, too much diversity to feel like a memorable sole album.

[Hopsinshadie]

Eminembase speaks the truth. Remember when we all said mmlp2 had to be a classic? I said that too and this is the first time that I don't have much hope for em's future albums. He's been playing catchup his last 4 albums for sure. In TES, everything came so easy to him. Balanced flows, the right production, good hooks, etc.. Now he's just way too complex. Sometimes less is more. I think for his next album, he should just focus on basic song quality. His lyrics will always be there for him. I can't understand or hear Em's lyrics anymore and have to constantly look them up on rap radar. He should cut out the choppiness. Hopefully he will, since he's always trying to change. I swear to god, now he raps like he's hyper. He gets lost in his flow and can't slow down. It was acceptable in that Rap God verse though. Lets see if he can maintain his speed while being perceptible to the ear. I want a smoother flow.

[mdemaz]

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[Whitefox]

No. When I did hear Recovery for the first time I thought: "Wtf is this?".

[trentimus]

Hopsinshadie ethering the shit out of this forum.

[EminemBase]

Eminembase speaks the truth. Remember when we all said mmlp2 had to be a classic? I said that too and this is the first time that I don't have much hope for em's future albums. He's been playing catchup his last 4 albums for sure. In TES, everything came so easy to him. Balanced flows, the right production, good hooks, etc.. Now he's just way too complex. Sometimes less is more. I think for his next album, he should just focus on basic song quality. His lyrics will always be there for him. I can't understand or hear Em's lyrics anymore and have to constantly look them up on rap radar. He should cut out the choppiness. Hopefully he will, since he's always trying to change. I swear to god, now he raps like he's hyper. He gets lost in his flow and can't slow down. It was acceptable in that Rap God verse though. Lets see if he can maintain his speed while being perceptible to the ear. I want a smoother flow.

Fuck that man, his rap style is golden, his lyrics and his flow are golden...

All I have a problem with is the abundant features, lack of his own hooks and the plethora of producers and variety leading to an ever regressing musical identity and 'try everything, and balannnnncee' kind of mentality. He'll never make a new classic doing this.

He doesn't seem to see that his first 3 are classics because they are NOT balanced. You have a constant blend of anger, humour, and all emotions - but I mean musically and stylistically... it sounds like the same 'family' of music and ideas, and the same 'family' of styles throughout. Where as now he does this kind of song, that kind of song and shit which could be from different albums. He thinks you need 'a bitch track', 'an apology to the bitches track'; he's fucking trying to literally service everybody like he's a company answering to share holders.

[Mathers]

Sometimes it looks like EminemBase likes the MMLP2 and other times it doesn't.

[trentimus]

Eminembase speaks the truth. Remember when we all said mmlp2 had to be a classic? I said that too and this is the first time that I don't have much hope for em's future albums. He's been playing catchup his last 4 albums for sure. In TES, everything came so easy to him. Balanced flows, the right production, good hooks, etc.. Now he's just way too complex. Sometimes less is more. I think for his next album, he should just focus on basic song quality. His lyrics will always be there for him. I can't understand or hear Em's lyrics anymore and have to constantly look them up on rap radar. He should cut out the choppiness. Hopefully he will, since he's always trying to change. I swear to god, now he raps like he's hyper. He gets lost in his flow and can't slow down. It was acceptable in that Rap God verse though. Lets see if he can maintain his speed while being perceptible to the ear. I want a smoother flow.

Fuck that man, his rap style is golden, his lyrics and his flow are golden...

All I have a problem with is the abundant features, lack of his own hooks and the plethora of producers and variety leading to an ever regressing musical identity and 'try everything, and balannnnncee' kind of mentality. He'll never make a new classic doing this.

He doesn't seem to see that his first 3 are classics because they are NOT balanced. You have a constant blend of anger, humour, and all emotions - but I mean musically and stylistically... it sounds like the same 'family' of music and ideas, and the same 'family' of styles throughout. Where as now he does this kind of song, that kind of song and shit which could be from different albums. He thinks you need 'a bitch track', 'an apology to the bitches track'; he's fucking trying to literally service everybody like he's a company answering to share holders.

His flow and "rap style" I assume you mean delivery are far from golden IMO..
Better than Recovery and barely better than Relapse's delivery. But that says shit to the first 3 albums and good spots of Encore.

I gree with everything you said but that.. He is trying to cater to people.. he cares too much. He's trying to fit himself in other rapper's shoes.. Not what made Eminem awesome in the first place.

[Hopsinshadie]

Same. I agree with eminembase, but his flow is not golden, it's just better. Still not TES. Rap God was the best flow on the album. The first 3 albums all have identity. Relapse also almost had an identity, however most of the album was not that enjoyable. You know Not Afraid was a great hype song for an album called ''Recovery'' however the rest of the album didn't coincide with it. I loved Recovery my first 4 listens. After that it got worse every time. Mainly the lyrics, so plain, plus the beats get old.

And you wanna know a coincidence? Every album that has that identity you're referring to has an intro, Paul, Steve, and skits.

[electroencephalogram]

Yeah tbh. And I'm pretty sure anybody who says no is a lying fuck.

[Hopsinshadie]

I like Lil Wayne's flow you dont, I hate 2chainz flow you like it..flow's are subjective so dont try to use that stupid argument.

His flow is good at times, but too choppy