Encore is way better than it gets credit for.

by **whore to a chainsaw** » Nov 12th, '13, 17:35

First, I would like to say that Encore is probably my least favorite Em album. At least, that's what I've been thinking for years.

Although, I think considering the era in which it was released, perhaps it's more fair to say that Encore was his most disappointing album when you look at what came before it - TES, 8 mile/8 mile soundtrack, Straight from the Lab, Get Rich or Die tryin, Invasion 1-3, etc. He was at his very best RIGHT BEFORE Encore... even just a matter of months.

Now, before everyone calls me retarded, overweight, deaf, etc. Let me elaborate.

What is it that everyone seems to be able to agree on?

That Encore is pretty sweet ASIDE from - My First Single, Rainman, Just Lose it and Ass Like That.

I don't feel that I need to get into why the rest of the package is up to snuff. I think you all realize that Yellow Brick Road, Like Toy Soldiers, Crazy in Love, Mockingbird, We As Americans, Love you More, etc. are all great. It's those "really bad" songs listed above that bring Encore down.

I would like to propose that perhaps Eminem intended for each of those songs to be heard in a different context and that it flew over everyone's heads (at no fault of their own.)

I think those songs are more Shady than nearly anything he's put out post hiatus. There's a point to them. Perhaps a lot of you have even considered this before but you need to hear it from someone else before it clicks aka the power of suggestion.

Those songs are a giant "Fuck you, I'll write this and you will listen to it (He references this in the last line of Ass like that) and make me millions. Fuck what you like."

It's not that they're complete shit that anyone could write either. Look at the second and third verses from "My first single". They're fucking incredible from a technical standpoint. Most rappers could not rhyme or flow that well. It's just the subject matter (and in that song, the loud clapping in the beat) that no one likes. I think it's brilliant. What artist has tried that before? He's adding those shitting, puking & toilet noises on purpose. He's gotta know that no one is going to think "Hey, that really adds to the song. I like it better with this!"

He was probably hoping people would see it as "Holy shit why would he do that to his own song?"

Now take into consideration the Straight from the Lab leak right before Encore.

Do you think Em was slightly pissed off? I remember reading something from an interview about it.

Remember, before he went on hiatus he was at his creative peak. He said in some interview "I was 4-5 songs in and they all leaked onto the fucking internet." He was probably thinking "Ok... Fuck you then. Enjoy this." and thought people would see what he was doing and actually love it.

There is no fucking way songs like "Big weenie" were to be taken at face value. "Weenie?"

Now what is it we hate about songs like big weenie? "Weenie." It's fucking stupid. Not just that word but the concept around it. But he did it that way on purpose, for sure.

I think he threw a couple of hints around just in case it went over everyone's heads "I just did a whole song and I didn't say SHIT" "I was going to take some TIME to sit down and write you a little poem" The name "Puke" itself.

I think he took a huge risk with this CD and it didn't work out for him.

I think his intention with those songs was to make songs with as terrible subject matter as possible and have it be shady as fuck through subtext... Giant "FUCK YOU" to everyone. A ballsy "Fuck you" to everyone.

But no one got it.

I'm re-thinking where I'd place Encore in contrast to the rest of the Eminem albums and I'm thinking it may deserve way more respect than it gets.

by **Kill You** » Nov 12th, '13, 17:41

Has a maximum of 5 good songs. It's not "way better" than it gets credit for. This album, as a whole, is just lazy as fuck and his worst.

by **Raul** » Nov 12th, '13, 17:42

Encore is a 7. I take 4 points because of the shitty middle part, and give 1 for the bonus tracks. The album has a lot of good songs.

by **whore to a chainsaw** » Nov 12th, '13, 17:45

Revolutionary wrote:
What is it that everyone seems to be able to agree on?

That Encore is pretty sweet ASIDE from - My First Single, Rainman, Just Lose it and Ass Like That.

Nope. Album only has like 2-3 good songs.

He admitted not being himself in interviews, he didn't intend to make it terrible. He wanted to be funny but couldn't because he was a tired lazy fuck.

Having this post as the first response is going to cause everyone to disagree with me.

What you're saying applies to 2006 Em... I think. I really want to know if you're right or if I'm right though so could you please provide a source to this?

I think you're mistaken but if you aren't then I apologize.

by **Tom313** » Nov 12th, '13, 17:47

The only song I would ever consider listening to off the album is Mosh. Maybe Rain Man depending on the mood I'm in because it is quite funny. The rest is awful.

Crazy In Love, One Shot Two Shot, Mockingbird - in fact the whole back end of the album is just :facepalm

Encore was a huge let down as well.

by **whore to a chainsaw** » Nov 12th, '13, 17:49

Kill You wrote:Has a maximum of 5 good songs. It's not "way better" than it gets credit for. This album, as a whole, is just lazy as fuck and his worst.

What you're saying is influenced by the post before you and not your actual beliefs. You just want to be on the "right" side of the argument. And you're not.

It may be his worst but for you to DISS it and say it's garbage... Well, could you write it? Who are you to say it's "lazy as fuck" like you're in a position in which you have the right to trash it.

Wow, what an ignorant dink.

by **whore to a chainsaw** » Nov 12th, '13, 17:51

What if it IS funny when you view it in a different context?

I say it is.

Now what?

by **whore to a chainsaw** » Nov 12th, '13, 17:53

Is it the swarm of sponge-minds that sponge all of their beliefs off of each other until they have a heard mentality about something that all agree with you telling me what's up going to prove you right and me wrong?

Not trying to be a dick. It just seems retarded when people respond to things with "Because you're wrong and I'm right. Simple as that." I'd rather discuss the legitimacy of what I was suggesting in the OP.

by **Jimmy Conway** » Nov 12th, '13, 17:53

Jimmy Conway wrote:Encore sucked. The songs aren't good. You can do whatever you want to do to the tracklist, change the order, add the bonus songs, take songs out. It doesn't matter. It sucks.

And it sucked before Eminem dove head first into a swimming pool full of pills. Straight to the lab Ep, it wasn't good. All the songs, outside of We as Americans are bottom tier Eminem Show quality songs.

Em was burnout, all that amazing material he was pumping out got to him. His drug addiction was a blessing, because if he had kept going we would have just gotten encore after encore, drugs or not.

I hate that Em had those tough times, but without them, we wouldn't have gotten Relapse and the MMLP2.

Encore is terrible, any way you look at it and these threads are about as annoying as the come.

It's OK to have a bad album or two.Not all of them will be good.

So stop with these threads, they are tired and pointless. The album is garbage and if you like them, you should question your taste in music.

by **HeySamantha** » Nov 12th, '13, 17:54

whore to a chainsaw wrote:
Revolutionary wrote:
What is it that everyone seems to be able to agree on?

That Encore is pretty sweet ASIDE from - My First Single, Rainman, Just Lose it and Ass Like That.

Nope. Album only has like 2-3 good songs.

He admitted not being himself in interviews, he didn't intend to make it terrible. He wanted to be funny but couldn't because he was a tired lazy fuck.

Having this post as the first response is going to cause everyone to disagree with me.

No, this topic is whats going to cause everyone to disagree with you lol

by **The Asshole** » Nov 12th, '13, 17:55

Wrong on so many levels the whole middle part from Puke to Ass Like That sucked. Also IMO cannot include bonus tracks to help elevate the album. I call it like it is Encore is by far his worst album and is the only true black mark on Em's career.

by **Notalius** » Nov 12th, '13, 18:00

4/10 at best

/lock

by **Jimmy Conway** » Nov 12th, '13, 18:03

Jimmy Conway wrote:http://forum.trshady.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=166648

http://forum.trshady.com/viewtopic.php?f=57&t=166066

http://forum.trshady.com/viewtopic.php?f=57&t=165946

http://forum.trshady.com/viewtopic.php?f=57&t=164493

http://forum.trshady.com/viewtopic.php?f=57&t=164405

http://forum.trshady.com/viewtopic.php?f=57&t=164393

http://forum.trshady.com/viewtopic.php?f=57&t=164279

http://forum.trshady.com/viewtopic.php?f=57&t=164214

http://forum.trshady.com/viewtopic.php?f=57&t=163908

http://forum.trshady.com/viewtopic.php?f=57&t=163536

http://forum.trshady.com/viewtopic.php?f=57&t=163333

That's just a few, there are many, many, many, many, MANY, MANY more.

Stop posting about this piece of shit album every week.

From one of the 100's of threads about it.

Jimmy Conway wrote:Encore sucked. The songs aren't good. You can do whatever you want to do to the tracklist, change the order, add the bonus songs, take songs out. It doesn't matter. It sucks.

And it sucked before Eminem dove head first into a swimming pool full of pills. Straight to the lab Ep, it wasn't good. All the songs, outside of We as Americans are bottom tier Eminem Show quality songs.

Em was burnout, all that amazing material he was pumping out got to him. His drug addiction was a blessing, because if he had kept going we would have just gotten encore after encore, drugs or not.

I hate that Em had those tough times, but without them, we wouldn't have gotten Relapse and the MMLP2.

Encore is terrible, any way you look at it and these threads are about as annoying as the come.

It's OK to have a bad album or two.Not all of them will be good.

So stop with these threads, they are tired and pointless. The album is garbage and if you like them, you should question your taste in music.

by **zebreniuc** » Nov 12th, '13, 18:06

The thing that makes that album suck is the fact that everybody was expecting a classic and compared it with classic albums.
If you view it from the "I don't give a fuck" perspective, it completely sounds like something Eminem would do, somthing like a "publicity stunt".
Actually I am impressed by how he had the balls to release that album, to release a diss track like Big Weenie takes some balls. It's like adding "Fack" on your greatest hits compilation, something nobody would ever do, it's one of the things that defines Slim Shady in my opinion.

by **whore to a chainsaw** » Nov 12th, '13, 18:06

Charlotte Mathers wrote:

This thread again?

Find me the thread where someone brought up the same argument as me.

Some dude on his rag up there posted a list of threads about Encore, none of them had anything to do with what I was saying.

LOL what a bunch of childish fucks. Someone suggests something they don't like and they all start bleeding from their vaginas and copying each others negative receptions of my thread.

I respect anyone who can disagree with me properly.

Wait. "Charlotte Mathers"?

I'm talking to a god damned woman. Lmfao. Just... nevermind. Carry on.

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