The 30 Worst Fall-Offs in Rap History

[Blu]

Why the fuck are people saying that Em should have been there?

What about Jay-Z, who has been garbage the last what? 5 years? BP3 was far worse than both Relapse and Recovery.

Jay number 1? You're kidding, right?

It's obvious the list was discussing the artists' sales, so let's talk about the quality of music - since that's what most people take into consideration when the discussion of falling off comes up.

Look at Eminem's first three albums; GREAT albums, powerful albums indeed. Take a look at Jay's; came out with a classic (Reasonable Doubt), and then just made good albums until The Blueprint - a GREAT album.

Now, most people consider Jay to have fallen off around the time of Kingdom Come, but what damage did that do to his discography? He's still surrounded by great albums. I really dislike how people seem to always bash The Blueprint 3, when it's not even that bad of an album.

Look at Eminem's discography. He set a standard WAY too high for himself. Personally, I haven't seen a greater falling off than Eminem had with Encore. The quality in his music has declined much more drastically than it has for Jay.

Jay is just dropping good verse after good verse. And that's all he needs to do. That's the standard he set for himself. Whereas for Eminem, he set a standard so high that he'll probably never reach it again. Only his first three albums touch that standard. When Encore was released, Eminem fell into the bottom pits of the rap world.

Relapse and Recovery (parts of the latter) are touching an average rapper's standards, but they're not touching Eminem's standard that he set for himself 13 years ago when he released The Slim Shady LP.

Therefore, Eminem fell off and should be number one.

It's simple.

Fuckin' idiots just looking to stir some shit.

Why do you walk around like you're so high and mighty? Get off your high horse man, you act like you can just come in a thread and basically take it under your wing. But actually, you're just a clueless fuck who thinks he knows a thing or two about hip-hop.

[Blu]

I'll reply in a bit. In class atm.

[classthe_king]

This thread has potential

[Blu]

This thread has potential

Pro-Blu or Pro-Rev.

Choose your side now.

You too Menzo.

[PAINKILLƎR]

Pro-Em over Jay

[classthe_king]

This thread has potential

Pro-Blu or Pro-Rev.

Choose your side now.

You too Menzo.

Neither

Yeah I'm going with neither as well

[sbolli1]

Yeah you're fucking retarded if you think Relapse is on "average-rapper" standards.

[Blu]

If we had to choose between Em and Jay, then yeah...he fell off way harder.

Prove it.

Hahaha, man! Just a day or two ago you were discussing how it's subjective to call an an artist terrible or uncreative or saying a certain album is great or not, now you're contradicting yourself?
How predictable.

How am I contradicting myself? It IS subjective to call an artist terrible or not creative if you don't have the facts to back it up. Those are the reviews of Jay's albums from Reasonable Doubt to The Blueprint, and look at that - they're all mostly positive. In my post I stated that Jay had dropped a classic, and ever since then there were good albums until The Blueprint came along.

Just ask any hip-hop fan, they'll say Jay's been dropping good albums since he arrived on the scene.

What was the quality of Jay's music, anyway?
I feel like his raps come off naturally, it doesn't take much effort most of the time.
Eminem on the other hand, tries to turn a simple metaphor into a chain of rhymes with complex double entendre and more internal rhymes.
Which might fall short sometimes, but if a poet would have read both rappers' rhymes, they would easily pick Eminem.

We're not talking about what a fucking poet would think lmao. And that's the whole point of rap...to sound natural. Jay has easily one of the best flows in the game and his delivery is top-notch.

And that's such a huge exaggeration, point me to one line where Em has "a chain of rhymes with complex double entendre(s) and more internal rhymes." I understand Eminem can rhyme great, but it doesn't mean shit if his quality of music will suffer.

Again, this is subjective because I place Relapse over all of Jay's albums except for RD.
In fact, Em's ad-libs alone deserve an appreciation thread, the details he puts in his songs is so well-done.

You place Relapse over his albums because you're a blind stan. You honestly can't believe Relapse is much better than The Blueprint and The Black Album, two of the best hip-hop albums released in the past decade?

Good verse after good verse? BP3 was garbage, WTT was even worse.
And when you say Em sit standards so high you're basically implying that he's much more skilled than Jay and has a much higher peak than Jay.

WTT was garbage? Have you listened to the songs? When will Eminem ever write a verse as complex as Jay's on No Church In The Wild? Jay's verses on Why I Love You have to be some of the realest and excellently written verses in the past year.

Em definitely outweighs Jay in the rhyming category, but everything else falls short for Em. So yeah, Em is more skilled than Jay when it comes to rhyming (but everyone knew that).

Average rapper's standards? PURE IGNORANCE.
I can quote parts off Relapse that only few rappers can come close to how clean and so well-written Relapse was.

Dude, Geno and fucking Menzo are literally writing verses in the Creative Writing section that could have been on Relapse. Their verses are clean and full of multi's. That's basically what Relapse was, minus a few songs where he's actually saying something (e.g. Deja Vu, Beautiful)

[Trimss]

^ "Tears on the mausoleum floor
Blood stains the Colosseum doors"

Pusha T did it before. His verse is nothing special lmao. It's great but it's not complex or anything haha.

[Hiphopdane]

I don't really get why KRS-One is on the list? Sure he isn't on the same level as he used to be during his prime but putting out solid albums such as the BDP album and Royalty Check 25 years into his career proves he has never truly fallen off. Legend in every aspect.

A tribe called quest? wtf. Only ever put out quality albums. Q-Tip is stronger than ever in 2012.

In order to have actually fallen off you should at least have achieved some kind of artistic success in the first place. Vanilla Ice, Easy-E and Nelly are not even has beens... theyve never been anything.

I would have put Jay-Z on the list if i was to make one. American Gangster was a great effort but pretty much everything since the black album has been garbage. Raekwon (and Eminem for that matter) shouldnt be there either as they came back and actually redeemed themselves.

[Trimss]

Why is Raekwon on the list?

[tadpole25]

Nelly was probably the biggest fall-off.