Good Kid Maad City (2012) vs. The Chronic (1992)

[ImANoob]

"Tadpole", I seriously think is time to stop snoaring coke and stop making these dumb threads

tbh

[tadpole25]

"Tadpole", I seriously think is time to stop snorting coke and stop making these dumb threads

quote this if you agree

Personal attack in absence of any substantive arguments. But there are bold letters, so that makes up for it.

[tadpole25]

Dr. Dre spit that line, "I don't smoke weed or cess, cuz it's know to give a brother brain damage" back in '88, when he didn't smoke. Dre was around Snoop Dogg all the time during The Chronic, of course he smoked weed with him.

I also suspect Ice Cube wrote that verse for Dre.

But yeah, Snoop did a Bob Dylan. That's a good explanation.

[OMEGA]

"Tadpole", I seriously think is time to stop snorting coke and stop making these dumb threads

quote this if you agree

Personal attack in absence of any substantive arguments. But there are bold letters, so that makes up for it.

Do I really need "substantive arguments" to prove that ridiculous comparisons are dumb? Hmmm.

[tadpole25]

Considering that the poll is 8 to 9, in favor of the album that is newer and more contentiously talked about, it seems like this is a pretty even fight, mate.

I mean, if we can't compare two strong western debuts 20 years apart, why compare anything

[N.W.A.]

I love GKMC but it's no Chronic. Chronic changed the whole rap game. Ive seen a lot of people already talking about the replay value of GKMC, and for me personally, I'm not sure what songs from GKMC will be considered classic songs 20 years from now. Chronic is 20 years old and the songs still have replay value. Shit, even the intro and outro on the Chronic are good. And to the op, Dre didnt use features like a crutch, the album was a family thing. It was just as much about getting Snoop, Nate, DPG, and Death Row out there as it was about Dre.

[Chet Starr]

I can't stand The Chronic honestly. Then again, I hate old g-funk west coast shit anymore.

I'm too biased, but I'll go with GKMC

[King Lance]

Yep like Internet Blogger opinions are facts lol

The 2 are not comparable.

You do realize that not only internet bloggers are calling GKMC a classic ?
You do realize that there is a world outside of the Internet ?

Every time you have to give an argument, you talk about the internet bloggers lol. why do you talk about that this time ? because gkmc is winning in the poll ? I don't get it...
A lot of artists, actors, fans, newspapers/journalists, tv shows etc, are calling this album an instant classic. (even in Europe)
You don't agree ?. that's fine, but let's stop with the "internet bloggers" argument lol, pretty sure you said the same thing for drake when he won the grammy award for the raoty


btw, I voted The Chronic by mistake, didn't even want to vote <.<

Stop...just stop

I swear, everytime people compare GKMC to a classic album like the Chronic or Illmatic it makes me dislike the album.

GKMC is quickly becoming one of the most overrated hip-hop albums of all time, and that's just sad as it is actually a great piece of work, but the comparisons have to stop.

As solid as GKMC, it is not a game-changer by any means. It's just a really good rap album.

People are calling it a game changer because it has the potential to change the actual mainstream hip hop (and the album has already changed it imo)
The expectations for big up-and-coming rappers' albums have became WAY greater since GKMC dropped because the album is setting new standard.
His fans didn't call it a classic, we agreed to wait a few years because it has the potential to become a classic but it isn't one yet.
If anything, you have to blame the industry because a part of it have been calling it an instant classic (comparisons with illmatic, saying it's the best debut since 2004, etc) since the day of its release and to be fair, the same thing happened to a lot of albums.

The album is overrated by who ? for who ?
Some people here like bigray don't like the hype kendrick is getting but that's not a problem (you can notice that the guys complaining about his hype are the same few guys that have been complaining about it since the beginning), kendrick will have a few haters but everybody doesn't like Tupac, Nas, Jay, Eminem or other artists, everybody doesnt consider them as the best...
I'm not saying that kdot is already a legend but he's building his own legacy in the industry and that's really cool to see someone as young as him being a contestant for the torch.
If anything, some people here underrate GKMC just because they feel insecure about their favorite rapper.
I'm pretty sure they feel bad every time they read an article about kendrick being the king of west coast.
Some others just don't have the same opinion about the album.

Kendrick's success is similar to a lot of big hip hop artist's success and there will always be people who don't agree with that.

And btw, no one said that gkmc was a bigger game changer than the chronic, tadpole made the poll for us to vote for the album we think is better. (and I still think it would have been more fair to compare them in a few years)

[King Lance]

Yep like Internet Blogger opinions are facts lol

The 2 are not comparable.

You do realize that not only internet bloggers call GKMC a classic ?
You do realize that there is a world outside of the Internet ?

Every time you have to give an argument, you talk about the internet bloggers lol.
A lot of artists, actors, fans, newspapers/journalists, tv shows etc, are calling this album an instant classic.
You don't agree ?. that's fine, but let's stop with the "internet bloggers" argument lol, pretty sure you said the same thing for drake when he won the grammy award for the raoty


btw, I voted The Chronic by mistake, didn't even want to vote <.<

Stop...just stop

I swear, everytime people compare GKMC to a classic album like the Chronic or Illmatic it makes me dislike the album.

GKMC is quickly becoming one of the most overrated hip-hop albums of all time, and that's just sad as it is actually a great piece of work, but the comparisons have to stop.

As solid as GKMC, it is not a game-changer by any means. It's just a really good rap album.

People are calling it a game changer because it has the potential to change the actual mainstream hip hop (and the album has already changed it imo)
His fans didn't call it a classic, we agreed to wait a few years because it has the potential to become a classic but it isn't one yet.
If anything, you have to blame the industry because a part of it have been calling it an instant classic since the day of its release and to be fair, the same thing happened to a lot of albums.

Some people here like bigray don't like the hype kendrick is getting but that's not a problem (you can notice that the guys complaining about his hype are the same few guys that have been complaining about it since the begining), kendrick will have a few haters but everybody doesn't like Tupac, Nas, Jay, Eminem or other artists, everybody doesnt consider them as the best...
He's building his own legacy in the industry and that's really cool to see someone as young as him being a contestant for the torch.

Isn't that exactly what you do? you come into every single thread and say "people" are calling it and instant classic, "people" are calling it a game changer, what people ffs? because you're literally the only person on this forum calling it that.

what people ? A lot of artists, actors, fans, newspapers/journalists, tv shows

I'm not the only one on trshady ( which is a very small forum) and don't try to be an hypocritice lol because you always say that the album is overrated, that realy means I'm not the only one to say it and when I create a post about that, I always give the sources.

btw, last time we talked about kendrick, it because painkiiller mentioned his name in the thread.

[King Lance]

I consider Good Kid Maad City a classic...but by no stretch of the imagination will it be as much of a game changer as The Chronic was. At least in my opinion. We need to wait a few more years before we can tell.

and that's what tadpole said in his post, I don't know why some people were mad at him
Plus, he just said that for him, gkmc was better than the chronic, he didn't say that gkmc was more influencal or was a "bigger game changer" =p

[Mathers]

Definitely The Chronic.

[IWANTURFOOD]

shoot me now !!!

[Kill You]

Well, I honestly prefer the rapping on GKMC but The Chronic is The Chronic...it has Dre and his awesome production. Kendrick >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dr. Dre though, all day every day. GKMC is almost a classic, while The Chronic is a classic. I'll have to go with The Chronic, it was just too influential and ahead of its time to ignore.

[King Lance]

GKMC will not change mainstream hip-hop. Lupe couldn't do it and neither will Kendrick. I just hope h doesn't conform.

It's an evidence that the Chronic is the more influential album, BY FAR but when you read that good kid maad city is a game changer, it doesn't mean the album is going to completely change the whole game just like that. (a lot of classic albums are considered as game changer and to be honest, they didn't change a lot of things)
They're talking about a game changer because there’s no denying the album sets a new standard.
Some people are probably forgetting the existence of some fantastic albums this year because the aftershock of GKMC is still being felt.

If GKMC is still one of the most hyped albums at the moment, it's because the artist delivered a debut album far surpassing most expectations both commercially and creatively.
In 2006, Lupe released his debut album surpassing most expectation about creativity but commercially, he didn't have a big impact. (GKMC has better numbers than the first-week sales of his 2 debut albums combined)
In fact, the expectations for big up-and-coming rappers' albums have became WAY greater since GKMC dropped.
Right now, we're talking about an artist who is almost doing Bruno Mars or Rihanna's numbers (well, Kendrick's first-week sales are better) with a creative and uncompromised hip hop album. This is something that had not been prevalent in hip hop for some time.

Some of you have pointed out that the poll is opinion based and is asking which one you think is a better album....

You have a right to chose GKMC, I just don't think it's as good as The Chronic. The only thing that stands out from Kendrick's album in comparison to the Chronic is that Kendrick is clearly a better lyricist than Dre. However, Dr. Dre's album excels in every other aspect. It's just perfect.

yeah tadpole was inspired by a recent interview of Mary J Blige : "Kendrick Lamar has a classic album right now. Classic. It’s like The Chronic. I’m not saying it is The Chronic. But you know how that album felt like a movie, with a beginning, middle and an end? His album has that same thing"
http://www.thisgoesin.com/2013/02/mary- ... -magazine/

As you said, pretty sure he wanted to see which one we prefer and not which one is the more influential album =p
That's the only reason why gkmc is winning in the poll... because we all know The Chronic the more influential album

[NextEpisode]

'The Chronic' was released some 20 years ago. Questions worth posing are; 20 years from now, in 2033, will you (or/and maybe your kids) and the next generation(s) of hiphop listeners still listen to 'Good Kid Maad City'? Can GKMC become a measure of what a 'classic' represents, just as 'The Chronic' is today? The 'time'-element is very important.

IMO, it’s quite natural that "new" hiphop listeners might enjoy ‘GKMC’ more than 'The Chronic'. For better or worse, hiphop isn't the exact same culture as it was 20 years ago; the music - in many aspects - isn't the same either.

GKMC is a solid album, but it has yet to stand the test of time. Right now, I think the album is somewhat overhyped. But that's more to do with how the media works, and the fact that our society is heavily driven by trends and "following the majority"-type thinking.