Ok so Eyedea is one of the greatest rappers of our time

[SliK]

There are literally dozens of factors man, do you really not know this?
Talent plays a part, but any moron can see it isn't directly proportional to fame.
Look at Britney Spears for example. Low level of talent but she was extremely famous. On Em's level even (for a while).
It's talent, charisma, timing, connections, and a look (white blonde hair, Elvis' jump suit, Beatles haircut, etc).
Far too many factors need to line up to reach that level of fame. You might as well say he COULD have won the lottery but DIDN'T WANT TO buy a ticket.

[classthe_king]

Yeah, except Eyedea had ALL OF THAT.
-His talent is off the chars
-His charisma is great, better than Eminems
-The timing was perfect, Block has already explained to you all of his hype when the deal was offered
-If being connected to Diddy isn't a connection then I don't know what is
-He also had a good look. That goofy gapped tooth smile would have made him extremely likable

The fact is there is no factor that Eyedea didn't have, or that Eminem had and Eyedea didn't.

[Solace]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iU1X7Pt2JrU

[SliK]

Yeah, except Eyedea had ALL OF THAT.
-His talent is off the chars
-His charisma is great, better than Eminems
-The timing was perfect, Block has already explained to you all of his hype when the deal was offered
-If being connected to Diddy isn't a connection then I don't know what is
-He also had a good look. That goofy gapped tooth smile would have made him extremely likable

The fact is there is no factor that Eyedea didn't have, or that Eminem had and Eyedea didn't.

And the fact is many many people have all that and more but it doesn't guarantee superstardom. He might've had a very successful career. He might've even been Lil Wayne famous. But the way you and Block are talking, it's like he probably would have been the most famous person in the world and that's just a given because he has dope lines and a gap tooth smile?
Smh

[classthe_king]

Yeah, except Eyedea had ALL OF THAT.
-His talent is off the chars
-His charisma is great, better than Eminems
-The timing was perfect, Block has already explained to you all of his hype when the deal was offered
-If being connected to Diddy isn't a connection then I don't know what is
-He also had a good look. That goofy gapped tooth smile would have made him extremely likable

The fact is there is no factor that Eyedea didn't have, or that Eminem had and Eyedea didn't.

And the fact is many many people have all that and more but it doesn't guarantee superstardom. He might've had a very successful career. He might've even been Lil Wayne famous. But the way you and Block are talking, it's like he probably would have been the most famous person in the world and that's just a given because he has dope lines and a gap tooth smile?
Smh

Ummmm no. Neither of us said that, you're putting words into our mouths. All we said was that Eyedea didn't want to be famous, he could have been famous if he wanted to and that it's not retarded to speculate that he could have hit Eminem's level of fame. All of which are completely legitimate. You're the one coming in here committing the straw mans and making the absurd claims. I expected better from you.

[SliK]

You both argued he could have reached Em's level of fame based on his talent.
I'm arguing against that.

Neither of you have supported your claims with anything remotely close to fact or logic. "He's talented and has a look and Diddy wanted to spend money on him and he was the best battle rapper" doesn't mean he could have been on Em's level.

I was only joking around when I was saying he couldn't have been famous at all. But the chances of him or anyone else reaching Eminem's level of fame is so low that I can say it would never happen and the vast majority of the population would agree, because its common sense.

[classthe_king]

No, I just said that he could have reached Em's level and then when I asked what it would take to reach Em's level I listed what Eyedea had that met every single criteria you mentioned and you have still yet to mention anything Eminem had that made him famous that Eyedea also doesn't have. That sounds like logic is on our siden not "no one in the history of the world will ever reach Eminem's level of fame derp derp." That's not logic, that's the opposite.

[Fleka]

You got to love this place.
On one side-one of the biggest music superstars ever, most successful rapper ever.
On the other side-talented rapper that never got even close to Em`s status.

And there is a debate "what if" going on. No "what if", Eminem is bigger than any rapper ever. He sold more than anyone, everybody knows who he is and everybody knows his songs. Not just rap fans.

There are loads of great and talented rappers. None of them come close to Em, when we talk about how big someone is.

If Eyedea or Kanye or Jay Z or whoever had some of Em`s success (Oscar, biggest selling artist of the decade, Youtube views...) you guys would have that imprinted on your shirts. That would be mentioned in every thread. You totally ignore Em`s high points and you point out and make huge every little detail that is good about your favorite rapper.

Em is underrated as fuck.

[SliK]

I can't tell you the exact formula to get that famous, I don't know it. I listed like 5 things or something. 5 things a LOT of people have. I did say there were dozens of factors. I mean, look at Gangnam Style and that Psy dude. He BLEW UP. Is he particularly talented? No. Yet, Nas is, and he hasn't seen a tenth of the fame Psy has.
Talent, respect and critical acclaim are so different to fame, that's what you're failing to grasp.
It's not one formula or one list of criteria that makes you famous. There is no mould or no likely person to reach that level. It just doesn't work that way.

[classthe_king]

And we never said it was. We never said Oh Eyedea would have certainly reached Eminem's level of fame. All we said was that it's not retarded to think he could have. You made the claim that Eyedea reaching Eminem's fame was retarded. We didn't make the opposite claim, all we did was reject your claim. You should know how this works. It's not retarded for someone to have many factors that would make you extremely famous to be extremely famous.

[classthe_king]

You got to love this place.
On one side-one of the biggest music superstars ever, most successful rapper ever.
On the other side-talented rapper that never got even close to Em`s status.

And there is a debate "what if" going on. No "what if", Eminem is bigger than any rapper ever. He sold more than anyone, everybody knows who he is and everybody knows his songs. Not just rap fans.

There are loads of great and talented rappers. None of them come close to Em, when we talk about how big someone is.

If Eyedea or Kanye or Jay Z or whoever had some of Em`s success (Oscar, biggest selling artist of the decade, Youtube views...) you guys would have that imprinted on your shirts. That would be mentioned in every thread. You totally ignore Em`s high points and you point out and make huge every little detail that is good about your favorite rapper.

Em is underrated as fuck.

Are you absolutely retarded? You have no idea what we're talking about and nothing you said was even remotely relevant to the conversation at hand.

[SliK]

You said the idea that he would be as famous as Eminem, given the information you provided, was not retarded.

Well, it most certainly is.

[classthe_king]

lmfao no. You're wrong and need to leave the thread with some dignity.

[Fleka]

This is just one of the threads where people compare rappers with Eminem in the areas where that comparison is just idiotic.

-He also had a good look. That goofy gapped tooth smile would have made him extremely likable

And you ask me if I`m retarded?

[classthe_king]

This is just one of the threads where people compare rappers with Eminem in the areas where that comparison is just idiotic.

-He also had a good look. That goofy gapped tooth smile would have made him extremely likable

And you ask me if I`m retarded?

The only comparison made with Eminem was that they both were offered a deal by a major record label after they had released an album and were big names in battling. Which is a 100% fact. Now take your stupidity elsewhere.