Fuck Soulja Boy

[AbramIsaac]

Regardless of who you blame for 9/11, it was a direct result our own policies. If you think that the US did it, then it's a very direct line of blame. If you hold the mainstream belief that it was carried out by "Muslim" extremists, then the line of blame still leads back to our foreign policy.

It's like this. Some of the senior council members of the 9/11 commission wanted this included in the original report, but it wasn't revealed until later: 9/11 was a result of the United States' unwavering support of Israel, in the minds of some of the commission members.

The question is not whether or not the attack was wrong, because it obviously was an atrocious bastardization of what Islam and the Middle East are really about. The question is whether or not we should stand for a policy that brings that sort of hostility towards us. If it's a worthy cause, then the answer is yes. Is Israel as worthy and just cause?

The answer to that question, in my mind, is no. What Israel has done, and continues to do the the people in Gaza isn't right. The trade sanctions they hold against them are completely out of line--you can't take food to these people, under the reasoning that they might use the materials you give them as some sort of weapon against Israel. People are dying over there every day, and Israel continues to build settlements there illegally.

And even with our scolding of them for such things, we continue to support them in the most important ways. We have veto power in the UN security council, so we serve as the single obstacle to Palestine being a recognized nation in the UN. Us, and only us, because no other country with Veto power would vote against the resolution. We told our own civilians that if they brought any supplies to Palestine, they would be acting of their own accord, and would receive no help from us if they were attacked (again) by Israel, despite the fact that they were unarmed.

My point is that our foreign policy continues to bring hostility towards us. I believe that soldiers in the Army believe they are doing the right thing, but that doesn't mean they are serving in protection of us. It's quite the opposite. Our presence in the Middle East increases anti-American sentiment, and serves as fodder for Extremist recruitment. We're not "keeping the fight over there" because we have to, we're keeping it over there because we won't drop it. If we weren't so involved, there wouldn't be a threat to us domestically to necessitate a foreign police action.

So while our people are dying over there regularly, there are scores more that are dying as a result of us being there, and I'm not talking about hostiles. There are innocent people dying in firefights. There are innocent people dying in terrorist attacks in countries that support our mission in the Middle East, which has been proven in the past to be based on false information. The War On Terror is a self-defeating mission--we are creating the very thing we are trying so hard to defeat, because of our very presence in the area where the enemy lies.

Beyond that, anti-Muslim sentiment has grown to the point that they themselves are dying as a result of hate crimes all over the western world. That is spurred on by media reports that are intended to drum up nationalist sentiment in order to continue support for our worldwide police action. It's not fair to us, the American citizens, and it's not fair to them.

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So...to end my very long, drawn out point...regardless of whether or not you hold the belief that the Bush administration was behind 9/11 or foreign terrorists, the end result is that we must change our own policies before we can put the rest of the world at gunpoint for our own peace of mind.

[Mahmoud48]

^LMFAO you actually think Osama ordered the 9/11 ''attacks''?

And yes I have sense, I'm not the type of person who gets brain-washed by others (read, my government).

>gets brainwashed by conspiracy theories
>"I DONZ geTz BWainwashedd Lyk u'z!"

ur still a boy wtf do u know about what really goes on
go study before u act like a complete dumb ass

[dR3]

^LMFAO you actually think Osama ordered the 9/11 ''attacks''?

And yes I have sense, I'm not the type of person who gets brain-washed by others (read, my government).

>gets brainwashed by conspiracy theories
>"I DONZ geTz BWainwashedd Lyk u'z!"

No. I base most of my opinions on logic, unlike some people who live in denial/refuse to accept reality.

[Mahmoud48]

^LMFAO you actually think Osama ordered the 9/11 ''attacks''?

And yes I have sense, I'm not the type of person who gets brain-washed by others (read, my government).

>gets brainwashed by conspiracy theories
>"I DONZ geTz BWainwashedd Lyk u'z!"

No. I base most of my opinions on logic, unlike some people who live in denial/refuse to accept reality.

Cool new color

[WakeUpShow]

^LMFAO you actually think Osama ordered the 9/11 ''attacks''?

And yes I have sense, I'm not the type of person who gets brain-washed by others (read, my government).

>gets brainwashed by conspiracy theories
>"I DONZ geTz BWainwashedd Lyk u'z!"

ur still a boy wtf do u know about what really goes on
go study before u act like a complete dumb ass

LMAO, ur a 12 year old who makes shitty rap videos online. I stay up on current events every single day, from multiple sources from different view points. Learn your place and stay in it.

[Mahmoud48]

LMAO, ur a 12 year old who makes shitty rap videos online. I stay up on current events every single day, from multiple sources from different view points. Learn your place and stay in it.

first of all I'm 16, and ur a crack ass who takes pictures with his friend like a faggot dont talk lol u ain't no top dog, fuck the troops they ain't fighting for our freedom come on son their a bunch of ignorant ass young adults who wanna shoot some "terrorists"

[slimsoxshady]

"those guys lose arms and legs keeping you safe"

cmon dude, this is complete nonsense that the gov't has been feeding down our throats...it only makes sense if there's an immediate danger to the mainland..there isn't

we'd be safe either way tbh...no country is stupid enough to attack a major world power and risk starting a nuclear annihilation, therefore having troops in the middle east is completely pointless no matter what anyone says. They're there now basically so they have a job because theres been a influx of individuals wanting to join the armed forces over the past decade.

soldiers won't stop another 9/11 from happening
having actual people in battle is a lost cause in the 21st century...time for machines

\mild rant over

[Atone]

There are three type of people.

Those who think Osama ordered the 9/11 thing, and are purely brainwashed by medias and Bush's speeches.

Those who are paranoid and believe anything but medias. Immortal Technique is the well known exemple.

And those who just display common sense. Like Dr3. No Homo. But Osama did not order the attack. If you don't agree, here's an arabian terrorist dickhead for you, just suck it and it may explode on your face.

oddly that picture looks like my package

[Tash8]

soldiers won't stop another 9/11 from happening

well we can atleast try by whoopin their asses in their homeland

unfortunately that's not how it works, you know they're probably gonna attack us again because of what we're doing right now; maybe not now, maybe not 5 years, but what about in 2021 when we dont expect it?

[Man1x]

Let me clarify, I blame extremist not whole countries or religions. Second, it could be argued that our polices affect these nations, in fact they do but that's not my fault. Course I did, disregard it that fact but still it doesn't make it right to fly a plane into a tower. They could have true diplomacy with the United Nations instead of killing. Before you say the USA controls the United Nations it's only 1/6 of that ugly head. I'm sure China and Russia would have defended a request put together by the middle east because they are against most of what we do. I agree USA is the world police, it's fucked up but that's because ever since WW2 political heads in our country never order there closure which I am all for. Second, the shot about shooting up towns, I don't mean killing innocents, I am not or that but unfortunately they have died. Not to make excuses, but the insurgents are hard to diverge from innocents. The only reason I said this shot was because I am tired of war cause I want my family home (alive) and every year we mourn for the friends we lost in the towers. I know it looked harsh but I didn't mean it in that regard, I do mean however that the extremist deserve to die. This war could be won and finished faster if these countries would hand the extremist leaders over to us, they clearly hide Osama. And no he didn't order 9/11 or plan it but he gave it the stamp of approval to person who presented it to him, then took credit. So I'm glad the ass hole deserved what he got. And the person that planned the attacks in is Guatmo Bay, Muhammad something I think, he I'd going to court soon. Really, I'm ready for the USA to withdraw from the world and come home but there are brainless people in our country that are consumed by fear. Who knows when the soldiers will come home, I don't. I didn't mean to offend anyone and I didn't want to look like I was defending my country, cause politics are corrupt beyond any other nation on earth in America and we need a better leader, that goes for both parties. IDGAF about Obama or Bush they both sucked at their jobs. I, however, defend the soldiers of the USA because they are good people IMO, they are respectable. And just remember that they are controlled by corrupt political heads, they his get the orders and had to carry them out or they can't feed a family and don't have a job. In regards to having plans in towers everyday etc. I thought it was clear that was an exaggeration, guess not we would definitely have more attacks if it weren't for military, oh and for the dip shit that says the military doesn't protect us domestically, your wrong because boarder control and the National Guard are controlled by the military. And when I said drug war I meant everywhere and on levels such as Mexico, not just in the south on the boarders of Mexico. And our government killed those 3,000 thousand people? GTFO, our leads are greedy snobs but I don't think they'd do a conspiracy on their own people (doesn't exclude other nations cause I bet it happens every week) because it'd put their re-election at risk (which is all they care about) and believe it or not, there are good people in the government (they are few in number however) that would turn them in and jail them for the crime. That is my opinion and I hope you can't find a crack with this one like the last and are able to put words in my mouth cause I never said things like we don't provoke other governments, didn't mention it, but I did say Al Qaida provoked the USA to fight back (an excuse to deploy more troops into the world, so since you all hate it so much, and I do too, you can thank Al Qaida for giving dumb asses in the USA government an excuse).

[Omerta]

firstly lemme just say that eminemy you are the stupidest shit cunt ive had the displeasure of seeing on this site or on the internet in a long time. also that i had an uncle who was a firefighter who left behind 3 kids and a wife when he died on that september day. so i gots "street cred" on this.

And we provoked Osama Bin Laden? We helped the fucker with his problems with the Russians and never bothered him again. BTW, I can tell your liberal, because it glares off your words perfectly. I think it's sad you have no respect for the people that probably made your life possible. Without them we have fucking planes going into towers everyday, we have drug wars, we might not even be a nation, and we certainly wouldn't have tranquility in our own homes.

who the fuck do u think we helped u moron? the united states helped afghanistan, not osama bin laden. osama bin laden is not afghan, he was not apart of the mujhudeen who fought against the russians. our government didnt give a fuck about afghnistan either we only wanted to repay the commies for supporting vietnam.

also we fucked the afghans more than the russians ever could because afterward we were the ones who put the taliban in power who killed and tortured afghans. we were also the ones who funded al qaeda in its early stages and then after the continued support of israel made them turn their back on us.

the troops are true americans, well the ones that do their job and dont break the rules, which is 90% of them. they are heroes. the governments of the united states however are just as corrupt as all these terrorist groups, we are just as evil. we go to places like iraq who have not done anything and killed 100,000+ innocent civilians there. and we wonder we r hated.

[Hiphopdane]

I don't feel the soldiers represent me nor my beliefs so I don't feel sad when they come home in coffins. Don't get me wrong, it's not like I'm celebrating their death but I don't have any reason to feel sorry for them.

When was the last time a war actually did something good for humanity?

[Drug.Ballad]

I have no respect for British troops who went out to fight either, They are killing innocents on a daily basis. The British and American army's are in fact the terrorists.

British soldiers are also getting killed and injured on a daily basis.
And the army's aint the terrorists, they are simply doing their job and following orders. If anyones to blame its the governments for sending them out there.

As for Soulja boy, its his opinion his song, he can say whatever he likes.

[Hiphopdane]

I know some people, or heard about them, in the US economically are forced to go to war but it doesn't seem to be the case for citizens in the UK. You always have a choice.

[Devil'sAdvocate]

ahh,Trshady,where a thread about Soulja Boy turn into a terrorists discussion.