the 3 big aspects of rappings

[classthe_king]

Nah

[tadpole25]

rhyming involves all 3

lyricism is the intended rhyme

but delivery can force rhymes

and flow can align all of the syllables right so there are multis where they wouldn't have normally been

[CrashBand]

Nah

It is.

Wasn't your definition of lyricism - what you are saying and how you are saying it.

Surely rhyming comes under the "how you are saying it".

[classthe_king]

Nah

It is.

Wasn't your definition of lyricism - what you are saying and how you are saying it.

Surely rhyming comes under the "how you are saying it".

No, how you are saying it as in word choice, the meaning of the words, vocab, how you express yourself. Rhyming doesn't really have anything to do with what you're saying means.

[CrashBand]

Yeah but everything to do with how you are saying it....by rhyming, lol.

Word choice, as in - choosing words that rhyme instead of ones that don't.

Rhyming has everything to do with word choice.

[classthe_king]

Yeah rhyming can affect your lyricism because you are obviously writing with the intent to rhyme but you're also writing it with the intent to flow and you also choose words that you know will flow well together but you still wouldn't say flow is a part of lyricism. Rhyming is no different.

[CrashBand]

Yeah rhyming can affect your lyricism because you are obviously writing with the intent to rhyme but you're also writing it with the intent to flow and you also choose words that you know will flow well together but you still wouldn't say flow is a part of lyricism. Rhyming is no different.

Yes it is.

Because you have to be able to flow.

I understand what you are saying, you could write with the intent to aid your flow. But you have to be able to flow. i.e. someone could not flow well the lyrics that were "written for flow".

If that made sense.

[classthe_king]

Yeah rhyming can affect your lyricism because you are obviously writing with the intent to rhyme but you're also writing it with the intent to flow and you also choose words that you know will flow well together but you still wouldn't say flow is a part of lyricism. Rhyming is no different.

Yes it is.

Because you have to be able to flow.

I understand what you are saying, you could write with the intent to aid your flow. But you have to be able to flow. i.e. someone could not flow well the lyrics that were "written for flow".

If that made sense.

Yeah it does, I guess I just look at rap in broader way. Rhyming only deals with how what you're saying sounds, not with the meaning of the what you're saying. That's why I don't include it with lyricism.

[CrashBand]

But it does - in terms of changing words and therefore changing the meaning of what you are saying.

I see what you are saying too, and I hadn't really thought of ir like that. But I feel rhyming is definitely part of lyricism.

[classthe_king]

But it does - in terms of changing words and therefore changing the meaning of what you are saying.

I see what you are saying too, and I hadn't really thought of ir like that. But I feel rhyming is definitely part of lyricism.

Rhyming affects lyricism, if people sacrificed what they were saying to rhyme more but people also change their lyrics and change what they're saying so that a verse flows better.

[CrashBand]

Yeah but flow is a completely separate category as well because of what I was trying to explain before.

That you can improve flow or have a better flow than someone else by not changing the lyrics at all.

But to improve rhyming or have better rhyming than someone you have to change the lyrics.

[classthe_king]

Yeah but flow is a completely separate category as well because of what I was trying to explain before.

That you can improve flow or have a better flow than someone else by not changing the lyrics at all.

But to improve rhyming or have better rhyming than someone you have to change the lyrics.

I mean if you were a novice yeah, but among rappers that knew what they were doing you would have to change the lyrics to improve a flow. Rhyming also has a lot more to do with flow then it may appear.

[CrashBand]

Yeah but flow is a completely separate category as well because of what I was trying to explain before.

That you can improve flow or have a better flow than someone else by not changing the lyrics at all.

But to improve rhyming or have better rhyming than someone you have to change the lyrics.

I mean if you were a novice yeah, but among rappers that knew what they were doing you would have to change the lyrics to improve a flow. Rhyming also has a lot more to do with flow then it may appear.

Yeah, I agree with what you are getting at and i hadn't really had that thought.

But flow can definitely be a separate category from lyricism. Whereas rhyming cannot.

[classthe_king]

Yeah but flow is a completely separate category as well because of what I was trying to explain before.

That you can improve flow or have a better flow than someone else by not changing the lyrics at all.

But to improve rhyming or have better rhyming than someone you have to change the lyrics.

I mean if you were a novice yeah, but among rappers that knew what they were doing you would have to change the lyrics to improve a flow. Rhyming also has a lot more to do with flow then it may appear.

Yeah, I agree with what you are getting at and i hadn't really had that thought.

But flow can definitely be a separate category from lyricism. Whereas rhyming cannot.

I would say it is a separate category. I mean let's use Jon Ramana as an example. With rhyming and lyricism combined how would you rate his lyrics? If you had rhyming as a separate category then it would be easy to see that he would be ranked high in the rhyming category but low in the lyricism category.

[CrashBand]

Yeah but you could do that with every 'branch' of lyricism if they were separated.

Rapper X ranked high in the punchline category but low in the lyricism category.

Rapper Y ranked high in the vocabulary category but low in the lyricism category.

Rapper Z ranked high in the 'big words' category but low in the lyricism category.