MACKLEMORE: The Heist appreciation thread.

[Rattle1]

"In the late 1970s, the term MC (or M.C. in some uses),[6] stood for Master of Ceremonies. It became another alternative for a rapper, for the position's role within hip hop music and culture. An MC uses rhyming verses, pre-written or ad lib ('freestyled'), to introduce the DJ with whom they work, to keep the crowd entertained or to glorify themselves."

"MC can often be used as a term of distinction; referring to an artist with good performance skills.[8] As Kool G Rap notes, "masters of ceremony, where the word 'M.C.' comes from, means just keeping the party alive" [sic].[9][10] Many people in hiphop including DJ Premier and KRS-One feel that James Brown was the first MC. James Brown had the lyrics, moves, and soul that greatly influenced a lot of rappers in Hip-Hop, and arguably even started the first MC rhyme.[11][12]"

There isn't a definition of emcee you can find that doesn't apply to Macklemore loool

how old are you ? 17 ? where do you live ? in Europe ?

because it seems like the only thing you know about the hip hop culture is what you can read on wikipedia.

[classthe_king]

Lol @ you not addressing the actual argument because you know I'm right.

Macklemore=MC

[1LynguisticMind]

tbh the difference between rap-emceeing-hiphop is huge but it's not the kind of debate that you can have with everybody. That shits always brings racism and skin color into that conversation.

[Snakebeast]

"In the late 1970s, the term MC (or M.C. in some uses),[6] stood for Master of Ceremonies. It became another alternative for a rapper, for the position's role within hip hop music and culture. An MC uses rhyming verses, pre-written or ad lib ('freestyled'), to introduce the DJ with whom they work, to keep the crowd entertained or to glorify themselves."

"MC can often be used as a term of distinction; referring to an artist with good performance skills.[8] As Kool G Rap notes, "masters of ceremony, where the word 'M.C.' comes from, means just keeping the party alive" [sic].[9][10] Many people in hiphop including DJ Premier and KRS-One feel that James Brown was the first MC. James Brown had the lyrics, moves, and soul that greatly influenced a lot of rappers in Hip-Hop, and arguably even started the first MC rhyme.[11][12]"

There isn't a definition of emcee you can find that doesn't apply to Macklemore loool

how old are you ? 17 ? where do you live ? in Europe ?

because it seems like the only thing you know about the hip hop culture is what you can read on wikipedia.

And....where's YOUR evidence to back up YOUR argument? Nowhere to be found, it seems.

[Rattle1]

"In the late 1970s, the term MC (or M.C. in some uses),[6] stood for Master of Ceremonies. It became another alternative for a rapper, for the position's role within hip hop music and culture. An MC uses rhyming verses, pre-written or ad lib ('freestyled'), to introduce the DJ with whom they work, to keep the crowd entertained or to glorify themselves."

"MC can often be used as a term of distinction; referring to an artist with good performance skills.[8] As Kool G Rap notes, "masters of ceremony, where the word 'M.C.' comes from, means just keeping the party alive" [sic].[9][10] Many people in hiphop including DJ Premier and KRS-One feel that James Brown was the first MC. James Brown had the lyrics, moves, and soul that greatly influenced a lot of rappers in Hip-Hop, and arguably even started the first MC rhyme.[11][12]"

There isn't a definition of emcee you can find that doesn't apply to Macklemore loool

how old are you ? 17 ? where do you live ? in Europe ?

because it seems like the only thing you know about the hip hop culture is what you can read on wikipedia.

And....where's YOUR evidence to back up YOUR argument? Nowhere to be found, it seems.

Should I give some sources to back up my knowledge ? you can find everything I said on google but what's the point of talking about something you don't know shit about ? That discussion is cool on Boxden or other boards full of 30-40 year old hip hop heads, it's cool to talk about that shit with mcees, people who were involved in the developement of that movement or people who come from the street.

I'm not saying that hes wrong and I'm right just that you don't talk about sports with someone who only watches that shit on tv just like I'm not going to talk about hip hop with someone who copy/paste definitions from Wikipedia.

[classthe_king]

I'm just ending it once and for all. Anyone who acts like they know what real hip-hop is and dismisses rap they don't like under the pretext that it isn't real doesn't know shit about hip-hop. Party rap came way before conscious rap and rap started as a form of entertainment. The Sugar Hill Gang, Kurtis Blow and Grandmaster Flash were making party tracks before anyone had ever heard if KRS-One. One of the most popular rappers of all time was known as fucking MC Hammer. Macklemore is an emcee and every other thing you might not want to call him. End of discussion.


Edit: lmfao I'm sure rattle1 was at Sedgwick avenue. Guys nobody else can discuss hip-hop unless you lived in Bronx during the 70's and 80's. Looks like we got stillmatic pt 2 over here

[fifflaren]

At the end of the day, it's all about music

/thread

[Rattle1]

I'm just ending it once and for all. Anyone who acts like they know what real hip-hop is and dismisses rap they don't like under the pretext that it isn't real doesn't know shit about hip-hop. Party rap came way before conscious rap and rap started as a form of entertainment. The Sugar Hill Gang, Kurtis Blow and Grandmaster Flash were making party tracks before anyone had ever heard if KRS-One. One of the most popular rappers of all time was known as fucking MC Hammer. Macklemore is an emcee and every other thing you might not want to call him. End of discussion.


Edit: lmfao I'm sure rattle1 was at Sedgwick avenue. Guys nobody else can discuss hip-hop unless you lived in Bronx during the 70's and 80's. Looks like we got stillmatic pt 2 over here

It has nothing to do with my tastes...and I'm not saying that theres a definition of real hip hop but there is definitely a difference between rap and hip hop, between rapper and mcee. If you ask me, A MC a (Master of Ceremonies) is someone who can hype up the crowd, make the crowd join in the songs. Also they show skills in the music they make ie Metaphors, Simalies, Punchlines, word play. They are able to rap about any subjects and display knowledge in what they talk about, they respect the original culture, they know what they can talk about. Kanye West on yeezus is everything but an Emcee, not only because of the beats but also because of his approach of this art.

Example of a MC is Nas, Mos Def, Jurassic 5, KRS1

A rapper is someone who who just raps and has limited content in what they rap. They don't care about the skill or artform of what Hip Hop is. They talk about hoes, bitches, cars, money, jewles etc etc
lil wayne is a rapper, an entertainer, but he'll never have an "I used to love H.E.R." or a "one mic" type joint in his life. However he's on top of the game because his music is so easy and basic to listen to that it reaches so many different ears and he's just popular as hell.

Example of rapper is Lil Wayne, 50, T.I, most South rappers (no hate), Macklemore.

Macklemore is like T.I. , he has a catchy flow, nothing wrong with that...but if he on a Roots track and you hear Black Thought verse, you will decipher Black Thought from now until 2020...when you finally understand the verse you "say damn this nigga flipped that"

I respect your opinion, it's a cool discussion but I fucking hate when people copy/paste articles from wikipedia

Edit: I'm not a new yorker but I can't lie, Sedgwick avenue was a great place for hip hop

[classthe_king]

It has nothing to do with my tastes...If you ask me,

Holy fuck you are dumb

A MC a (Master of Ceremonies) is someone who can hype up the crowd, make the crowd join in the songs. Also they show skills in the music they make ie Metaphors, Simalies, Punchlines, word play. They are able to rap about any subjects and display knowledge in what they talk about, they respect the original culture, they know what they can talk about.

Literally everything you just said applies to Macklemore.

Kanye West on yeezus is everything but an Emcee, not only because of the beats but also because of his approach of this art.

Completely ignorant and baseless statement.

A rapper is someone who who just raps and has limited content in what they rap. They don't care about the skill or artform of what Hip Hop is. They talk about hoes, bitches, cars, money, jewles etc etc

Completely subjective and impossible to gauge.

lil wayne is a rapper, an entertainer, but he'll never have an "I used to love H.E.R." or a "one mic" type joint in his life.

Hustler Muzik? Tie My Hands?

Macklemore is like T.I. , he has a catchy flow, nothing wrong with that...but if he on a Roots track and you hear Black Thought verse, you will decipher Black Thought from now until 2020...when you finally understand the verse you "say damn this nigga flipped that"

Have you ever even listened to a Macklemore song besides thrift shop?

"I've seen my people's dreams die
I've seen what they can be denied
And "Weed's not a drug," that's denial
Groundhog Day, life repeat each time
I've seen Oxycontin take three lives
I grew up with them we used to chief dimes
I've seen cocaine bring out the demons inside
Cheating and lying
Friendship cease, no peace in the mind
Stealing and taking anything to fix the pieces inside
Broken, hopeless, headed nowhere
Only motivation for what the dealer's supplying
That rush, that drug, that dope
Those pills, that crumb, that roach
Thinking I would never do that, not that drug
And growing up nobody ever does
Until you're stuck
Looking in the mirror like I can't believe what I've become
Swore I was going to be someone
And growing up everyone always does
We sell our dreams and our potential
To escape through that buzz
Just keep me up, keep me up
Hollywood, here we come"

Macklemore all on that bitchez, carz, money and jewelz trip yo

[Rattle1]

It has nothing to do with my tastes...If you ask me,

Holy fuck you are dumb

how ?
you said "Anyone who acts like they know what real hip-hop is and dismisses rap they don't like under the pretext that it isn't real doesn't know shit about hip-hop. "

My opinion of what I think is rap and hip hop is not based on what I like and dislike, I love Lil Wayne and I still don't see how he could be considered as an mcee.

Kanye West on yeezus is everything but an Emcee, not only because of the beats but also because of his approach of this art.

Completely ignorant and baseless statement.

please tell me what makes it hip hop. The Rhyming ?

A rapper is someone who who just raps and has limited content in what they rap. They don't care about the skill or artform of what Hip Hop is. They talk about hoes, bitches, cars, money, jewles etc etc

Completely subjective and impossible to gauge.

lil wayne is a rapper, an entertainer, but he'll never have an "I used to love H.E.R." or a "one mic" type joint in his life.

Hustler Muzik? Tie My Hands?

he only got a few songs like that for 10 albums and 26 mixtapes.

Macklemore is like T.I. , he has a catchy flow, nothing wrong with that...but if he on a Roots track and you hear Black Thought verse, you will decipher Black Thought from now until 2020...when you finally understand the verse you "say damn this nigga flipped that"

Have you ever even listened to a Macklemore song besides thrift shop?

"I've seen my people's dreams die
I've seen what they can be denied
And "Weed's not a drug," that's denial
Groundhog Day, life repeat each time
I've seen Oxycontin take three lives
I grew up with them we used to chief dimes
I've seen cocaine bring out the demons inside
Cheating and lying
Friendship cease, no peace in the mind
Stealing and taking anything to fix the pieces inside
Broken, hopeless, headed nowhere
Only motivation for what the dealer's supplying
That rush, that drug, that dope
Those pills, that crumb, that roach
Thinking I would never do that, not that drug
And growing up nobody ever does
Until you're stuck
Looking in the mirror like I can't believe what I've become
Swore I was going to be someone
And growing up everyone always does
We sell our dreams and our potential
To escape through that buzz
Just keep me up, keep me up
Hollywood, here we come"

Macklemore all on that bitchez, carz, money and jewelz trip yo[/quote]

Catchy flow and different subject matter, that's all

[classthe_king]

I love Lil Wayne and I still don't see how he could be considered as an emcee.

How about he contains every quality of what makes someone an emcee?

please tell me what makes it hip hop. The Rhyming ?

Umm because he's rapping over hip-hop beats? You can't just arbitrarily draw a line in the sand and say everything on this side is hip-hop and everything on that side isn't. Kanye is a legend and you are a nobody on an internet forum.

he only got a few songs like that for 10 albums and 26 mix tapes.

So he DOES have multiple "I used to love H.E.R." and "one mic" type joints

Catchy flow and different subject matter, that's all

I'm going to take that as a no because nothing about that flow is remotely catchy.


You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about in any facet of this discussion. Please stop acting like a know-it-all hip-hop head, you're making everyone who actually is knowledgeable about rap look bad.

[Rattle1]

Stopped reading when I saw:

"Umm because he's rapping over hip-hop beats?"

I think we're done here, even the yeezy stans wouldn't say that shit but hee.. what did I expect from a teenager who copy/paste articles from wikipedia to back up his arguments

[DƎRDYPK]

Nas lost

[classthe_king]

They're clearly hip-hop beats. Standard drum loops mixed in with other samples and instruments. Just because he's experimenting doesn't mean it's not hip-hop. Run DMC clearly set this precedent. This is just you making up in your head what real hip-hop is again. Stop it.

Once again you fail to address any of the actual arguments because you're completely ignorant. I swear you can only have a good discussion with about 5 members on this forum

[Rattle1]

you said it yourself, it's alternative rap