Eminem's Latest album(s) sadly going downhill

[pfati]

Relapse had a fucking whack accent. End of story.

I don't give a flying fuck if he's lyrically on top. I don't give a fuck if he has "dope" content, even though his recent album had repetitive subject matter. I don't give a fuck if the tracks are stacked with metaphors/similes/personifications/other-literary-devices.

If the song sounds bad, I won't bump it. That simple.

Then, after the song is listenable, I'll start paying attention to these mechanics and techniques.

EDIT: The production was lacking, as well.

BS the accent suited some songs....
accent is good.... example: Same Song & Dance and 3 AM

yeah but i gues we just had to much of it,,,,,, BUFFOLOW BILL WAS FUCKING DOPE though,,, listen to the lyrics on that,, like holy fucking shit his delivery wordplay and everything was dope on that song

[EminemBase]

@eminembase
my darling and Carefull what you wish for were recorded after relapse was done(that's a fact) and i also heard they were songs cut from relapse 2 (rumor)

Lmao no they weren't you dick head. "My Darling" and "Careful What You Wish For" Are from his 07 recordings. As is "Beautiful".

Why do you think they're so slow and growly and simplistic like "Beautiful". And emotional. And all produced by Eminem in the same style (and not Dre - Dre handled all the 09 production). They're from 07. Don't state falsehoods as facts, you look an idiot.

That's why in "Careful What You Wish For" he says "and eight years later I'm still at it". Notice eight. His debut was 1999. Eight years after 1999 = 2007, when that song is from.

"Beautiful" was the only song he kept from that batch. The 07 batch. For the album. That's why he put two of the other best ones as bonus tracks. They're not from 2009.

[EminemBase]

^ nice pick-up on the Careful What You Wish For thing, but how do you figure Beautiful was made in 2007? i heard he wrote it in rehab (which would've been 2005). or did he write it during his 2nd stay in rehab (late 2007)?

He had a brief stint in rehab in 05 but that wasn't his 'proper' stay, he didn't take it seriously.

So I think he wrote it when he went back. Would make more sense too since he would of been more fucked / depressed, slower. He sounds exactly like on "My Darling" and 'CWYWF'.

He referred to the song from 'that batch' too. And he was working on new material in 07. Tentatively known as King Mathers. Which he then scrapped as he started Relapse when he started to come out of the zomie-state. Which you can tell he was in, in all of those songs.

[Spyder]

Ax-D
TES>MMLP>Infinite>SSLP>Relapse>Encore

[slimsoxshady]

then Relapse 2 is gonna put him below sea level?

[Berry]

Your Opinion Man...

I still really enjoy Relapse, I've no problem with Em experimenting with his voice/flow/wordplay on his albums.

Remember, we're pretty lucky he's still makin' any music at all. He could easily retire & live with no worries to the end of his days. (money wise)

[Dark Blue]

i wouldn't say its going downhill in sales cause even the re-up did over 300,000 in the first week

and i wouldn't say its going downhill with whats on the album either cause with eminem each album is something different from the last and its always something new so u never no what to expect even with the first single which is good. so i don't think nothing is going/gone downhill so far.

[EminemBase]

Ax-D
TES>MMLP>Infinite>SSLP>Relapse>Encore

For me it's...
TES > MMLP > SSLP > Relapse... Infinite / Encore

Hard to rank his albums past TES. I can quite comfortably call that his best in my mind.

But the others always feel sketchy to rank... Especially Relapse, Encore and Infintie.

[EminemBase]

^ I'm definitely in the minority with the accents then.

I remember people saying it was like an "Ass Like That" accent etc. Sounded nothing like that to me.

I mean "We Made You" I remember just thinking "badass spitfire flow". He's pronouncing things American. He is for most of Relapse too. He's just bending words and he's written them in such a way and is flowing them in such a way that it sounds as if he's putting an accent on.

He's often shortening the syllables or spitting them a certain way to provide extra rhyme-symmetary. It never sounded awful to me. Just fascinating and fresh. Especially on like "Stay Wide Awake".

[Bistnal]

Since everyone else is doing it, :
TES=MMLP>SSLP>Relapse>Encore
I can never choose b/t TES & MMLP, I just enjoy them both equally, at times I like one more than the other than it flips lol.
I don't think he's going downhill, Relapse was a step up from Encore, I mean he rhymed phenomenally. It was a bit of disappointment considering what we were expecting but I wouldn't say it's trash and he doesn't have it in him any more to make amazing music and albums. In June, I would have, but since then he's really just seemed to step it up content wise & everything, so I have high hopes for R2. If that is like Relapse or Encore, then yes, I'll agree, but I think we should be fair and give him 2 chances before making a statement .

[EminemBase]

^ Well the most important aspect for me about Relapse and his new mindset....

Is that he's in love with rap again. Regardless of whether you like accent, or the subject matter. Fact is, he's infatuated with rhyming and pushing himself to the limits again. He's hungry.

That's the only thing that matters to me because if he's hungry, he won't stop until he hits it bang on the head and everybody else agrees with him. Definitely not going downhill. On Encore he was formulaic. He sounded bored, like he was going through the motions and just giving us what we expected with the occasional show he could second-guess it.

Now he feels like he's out to prove he's the best again. People who say he's sold out and all that nonsense don't know what the term means clearly. He's doing it purely for the art / sport (if you could call it that) again. And that's a very good thing. For any rapper / artist.

Especially at this stage.

And given his newfound focus and his utter determination to make R2 incredible... Which apparently it already is... I think we will have something special. I mean the fact he said "I'm putting everything I got into this next record".

Em doesn't hype himself or talk shit. So those are strong words coming from him. Everything he's got? Man, I can't wait.

[Relapse.LP]

^ Well the most important aspect for me about Relapse and his new mindset....

Is that he's in love with rap again. Regardless of whether you like accent, or the subject matter. Fact is, he's infatuated with rhyming and pushing himself to the limits again. He's hungry.

That's the only thing that matters to me because if he's hungry, he won't stop until he hits it bang on the head and everybody else agrees with him. Definitely not going downhill. On Encore he was formulaic. He sounded bored, like he was going through the motions and just giving us what we expected with the occasional show he could second-guess it.

Now he feels like he's out to prove he's the best again. People who say he's sold out and all that nonsense don't know what the term means clearly. He's doing it purely for the art / sport (if you could call it that) again. And that's a very good thing. For any rapper / artist.

Especially at this stage.

And given his newfound focus and his utter determination to make R2 incredible... Which apparently it already is... I think we will have something special. I mean the fact he said "I'm putting everything I got into this next record".

Em doesn't hype himself or talk shit. So those are strong words coming from him. Everything he's got? Man, I can't wait.

That's one thing I agree with, for once. Eminem is eager to rap again and I'm glad he likes to rap, but he really needs to keep in mind his audience.

We're not people who never listened to Eminem and will be won over by shock value. We got over that in 2000. Perhaps he's expanding his audiences with shit songs like We Made You, but seriously, I'm not sure if he would know that someone people wouldn't dig the accent. Simple as that.

Take this for example. Take your favorite rap album. I don't care why you like the album, could be creativity, lyrics, or production, or all three of them, or none, but just envision that record. Now imagine the same album with the raps being spit in a voice that resembles masculine (is s/he male anyways?) Elmo sniffing cocaine. Is it good anymore? Technically, nothing changed. Likability-wise, the whole album just went down a little, unless you're looking for a good buzz or just a laugh.

Yeah, some will say that the "accent" fits the "content" better. Then, not only are you insulting the accent, you're insulting the content.

[Arrinef]

^ Well the most important aspect for me about Relapse and his new mindset....

Is that he's in love with rap again. Regardless of whether you like accent, or the subject matter. Fact is, he's infatuated with rhyming and pushing himself to the limits again. He's hungry.

That's the only thing that matters to me because if he's hungry, he won't stop until he hits it bang on the head and everybody else agrees with him. Definitely not going downhill. On Encore he was formulaic. He sounded bored, like he was going through the motions and just giving us what we expected with the occasional show he could second-guess it.

Now he feels like he's out to prove he's the best again. People who say he's sold out and all that nonsense don't know what the term means clearly. He's doing it purely for the art / sport (if you could call it that) again. And that's a very good thing. For any rapper / artist.

Especially at this stage.

And given his newfound focus and his utter determination to make R2 incredible... Which apparently it already is... I think we will have something special. I mean the fact he said "I'm putting everything I got into this next record".

Em doesn't hype himself or talk shit. So those are strong words coming from him. Everything he's got? Man, I can't wait.

That's one thing I agree with, for once. Eminem is eager to rap again and I'm glad he likes to rap, but he really needs to keep in mind his audience.

We're not people who never listened to Eminem and will be won over by shock value. We got over that in 2000. Perhaps he's expanding his audiences with shit songs like We Made You, but seriously, I'm not sure if he would know that someone people wouldn't dig the accent. Simple as that.

Take this for example. Take your favorite rap album. I don't care why you like the album, could be creativity, lyrics, or production, or all three of them, or none, but just envision that record. Now imagine the same album with the raps being spit in a voice that resembles masculine (is s/he male anyways?) Elmo sniffing cocaine. Is it good anymore? Technically, nothing changed. Likability-wise, the whole album just went down a little, unless you're looking for a good buzz or just a laugh.

Yeah, some will say that the "accent" fits the "content" better. Then, not only are you insulting the accent, you're insulting the content.

touche

[xxTrigger1989xx]

Relapse needed to be made. Whether you acknowledge that or not is up to you. Relapse is a concept album, and it's his best CONSISTENT album (notice how I said best consistent, it is definitely not his best, but certainly not his worse, I'd rank it #3 on his best albums). He keeps the theme, and you notice that Relapse is a story of Slim Shady coming back, and by Beautiful he starts getting normal. Notice how as you progress further into the album, he starts sounding normal. It's a tale, a story. The whole album. A lot of people don't see Relapse past the accent. I do. And I get the accent, I'm not a fan of it, but it really captures the craziness inside of Eminem's head.

But, if the hype is real, Relapse 2 is going to be nothing like Relapse 1. Supposedly, it leans closer to a mix between MMLP and The Eminem Show. Which are my number 1 and 2 on my list. So, you don't have to worry about it going downhill. I have a feeling that Relapse 2 will be his strongest album. I don't know, I just get the feeling

[Relapse.LP]

i don't know how you can hear Deja Vu, Stay Wide Awake, Forever, Music Box, The Warning & Drop The World & think eminem has fallen off.

The Warning has my mind racing. He dissed a female pop star, just because she didn't "admit" she had relations with him more than 6 years ago. Oh wait, not like he hasn't done that before.

Shit's embarrassing.