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Re: Smoking.

Postby AbramIsaac » Feb 2nd, '10, 22:44

Tash8 wrote:yes with smoking you could die earlier...but with bad luck you could die even earlier than that... There's sooo many things that you can die from that saying Smoking will kill you is just stupid...especially when we're talking about weed.

Most of the people in this thread don't mention marijuana. If they do, they don't really talk about it doing harm. When people say anything about "smoking" without specifically saying marijuana, they are probably referring to cigarettes.

Anyone that thinks marijuana has effects even rivaling those of cigarettes is either stupid, or simply ignorant to the facts--which is quite likely.

Spyder wrote:well i agree tash, but smoking increases risks of dying alot.(cigs) lung cancer, throat cancer, oral cancer, and thats just cancer. not to mention how it makes u look...

but weed, has short term memory loss, thc is a minor acid that slowly rots away brain tissue, decreases motor skills, and can get all those cancers above



No, Spyder, you're wrong. THC has been shown to reduce the growth of cancer, and where did you hear that it rots away brain tissue?
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Re: Smoking.

Postby Tash8 » Feb 2nd, '10, 22:48

Spyder wrote:but weed, has short term memory loss, thc is a minor acid that slowly rots away brain tissue, decreases motor skills, and can get all those cancers above


where the hell did you read that? that's complete bullshit
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Re: Smoking.

Postby AbramIsaac » Feb 2nd, '10, 22:49

Tash8 wrote:
Spyder wrote:but weed, has short term memory loss, thc is a minor acid that slowly rots away brain tissue, decreases motor skills, and can get all those cancers above


where the hell did you read that? that's complete bullshit

Yeah, that's what I'm saying too.

Sounds like some DARE/Drug Free America/Above the Influence bullshit.

I'm all for debate on the issue, but keep it truthful.
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Re: Smoking.

Postby Spyder » Feb 2nd, '10, 22:51

:laughing: ive read that on everything negative about weed :unsure:

facts... true facts good sir
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Re: Smoking.

Postby AbramIsaac » Feb 2nd, '10, 22:52

Spyder wrote::laughing: ive read that on everything negative about weed :unsure:

facts... true facts good sir

Bring up the studies, Spyder.

I'm not going to sit here and say nothing when you're either lying out your ass, or repeating lies.

I can gladly bring up studies backing up everything I'm saying, let's see you do it.
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Re: Smoking.

Postby Tash8 » Feb 2nd, '10, 22:52

Spyder wrote::laughing: ive read that on everything negative about weed :unsure:

facts... true facts good sir


you still haven't told me any REAL negative LONG TERM effects from weed
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Re: Smoking.

Postby Spyder » Feb 2nd, '10, 22:55

http://www.nida.nih.gov/infofacts/marijuana.html


i was getting a site calm down, national drug sumin or other

has long term,short term, mental effects

read up
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Re: Smoking.

Postby Tash8 » Feb 2nd, '10, 22:58

Spyder wrote:http://www.nida.nih.gov/infofacts/marijuana.html


i was getting a site calm down, national drug sumin or other

has long term,short term, mental effects

read up


you're asking me to trust what an american website says about marijuana? no thanks.

Americans think everything in the fuckin world is a drug but when they pop an Advil cause they have a headache, suddenly it doesn't fuckin matter.
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Re: Smoking.

Postby Spyder » Feb 2nd, '10, 23:01

i would highly compare advil to weed lol...

but i found u a site... so my job is done
everyone i find youd shoot down

so u find me a reliable site on how weed is great

cheech and chong cant be the authors
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Re: Smoking.

Postby AbramIsaac » Feb 2nd, '10, 23:05

Spyder wrote:i would highly compare advil to weed lol...

but i found u a site... so my job is done
everyone i find youd shoot down

so u find me a reliable site on how weed is great

cheech and chong cant be the authors

The National Institute on Drug Abuse isn't the best source, I'm sorry. That's just like going to the DEA website for marijuana facts; these people's jobs rely on pot being illegal.

Give me some time, and I'll bring actual scientific study links debunking the most common myths.

BTW, I didn't see where the NIDA site said anything about brain rot. I might have missed it though, perhaps you could point it out to me.
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Re: Smoking.

Postby AbramIsaac » Feb 2nd, '10, 23:09

Ah, just to start it off...

Heavy Marijuana Use Doesn't Damage Brain:http://www.webmd.com/mental-health/news/20030701/heavy-marijuana-use-doesnt-damage-brain

Science, not propaganda.

Just a quote from the article, by a Harvard Medical Psychiatrist at the end of the article:
"Marijuana is a remarkably safe and non-toxic drug that can effectively treat about 30 different conditions," he tells WebMD. "I predict it will become the aspirin of the 21st century, as more people recognize this."
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Re: Smoking.

Postby Tash8 » Feb 2nd, '10, 23:12

and here let's read up some of this shit

Effects on Daily Life
Research clearly demonstrates that marijuana has the potential to cause problems in daily life or make a person’s existing problems worse. In one study, heavy marijuana abusers reported that the drug impaired several important measures of life achievement including physical and mental health, cognitive abilities, social life, and career status.11 Several studies associate workers’ marijuana smoking with increased absences, tardiness, accidents, workers’ compensation claims, and job turnover.


The bold part can not be a cause effect, because smoking weed does not directly cause you to be absent or tardy to work. :laughing: At saying weed can affect you're social life and career status, yes but so does breaking your arm and so does have a girlfriend.

Effects on the Lungs
Numerous studies have shown marijuana smoke to contain carcinogens and to be an irritant to the lungs. In fact, marijuana smoke contains 50–70 percent more carcinogenic hydrocarbons than does tobacco smoke. Marijuana users usually inhale more deeply and hold their breath longer than tobacco smokers do, which further increase the lungs’ exposure to carcinogenic smoke. Marijuana smokers show dysregulated growth of epithelial cells in their lung tissue, which could lead to cancer;8 however, a recent case-controlled study found no positive associations between marijuana use and lung, upper respiratory, or upper digestive tract cancers.9 Thus, the link between marijuana smoking and these cancers remains unsubstantiated at this time.


Well that should dismiss all that talk.


Nonetheless, marijuana smokers can have many of the same respiratory problems as tobacco smokers, such as daily cough and phlegm production, more frequent acute chest illness, and a heightened risk of lung infections. A study of 450 individuals found that people who smoke marijuana frequently but do not smoke tobacco have more health problems and miss more days of work than nonsmokers.10 Many of the extra sick days among the marijuana smokers in the study were for respiratory illnesses. (Yeah I doubt those were actually sicks days, if not more to do with just not wanting to go work or class)


This may be true, but you got think of it in context. Tobacco smokers are constantly smoking for about 5 minutes, and most of those who get cancer or infections are because they smoke a pack or two a day. Now compare that with weed where you might be getting between only 5-10 hits, and no one smokes weed like a heavy cig smoker. The bold part, again you cannot say that's a cause effect.

Marijuana increases heart rate by 20–100 percent shortly after smoking; this effect can last up to 3 hours. In one study, it was estimated that marijuana users have a 4.8-fold increase in the risk of heart attack in the first hour after smoking the drug.7 This may be due to the increased heart rate as well as effects of marijuana on heart rhythms, causing palpitations and arrhythmias. This risk may be greater in aging populations or those with cardiac vulnerabilities.


Wow at that number, there's a reason that there's a quote saying "97% of percentages are bullshit." Now yes, smoking weed does raise your heartbeat, but just like the quote says "may be greater with those with cardiac vulnerabilities" Well no shit if you have problems like that then you should not be smoking. Most people who are normal in health are not greatly affected in their heart.

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I'm sorry but case is closed. Weed is not bad for you and in my opinion it does more good than it does bad. More people are at risk of dying when they're in a car with a female driver rather than from smoking weed.
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Re: Smoking.

Postby AbramIsaac » Feb 2nd, '10, 23:13

Here's a good one:

Study finds no link between marijuana use and lung cancer (American Thoratic Society):http://www.scienceblog.com/cms/study-finds-no-link-between-marijuana-use-and-lung-cancer-10660.html

And even better:

Marijuana Cuts Lung Cancer Tumor Growth In Half:http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/04/070417193338.htm

Sorry Spyder, I've never had a bad opinion of you, but you really need to read up.

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Re: Smoking.

Postby Spyder » Feb 2nd, '10, 23:17

well u realize i could just say i dont belive those sites like u guys did mine...
but trust me all of my friends smoke weed they have

mood swings, alot dumber since they started, and alot mention above...
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Re: Smoking.

Postby Tash8 » Feb 2nd, '10, 23:19

Oh and if you wanna know a positive about legalizing weed?

If the United States legalized weed right now, by the end of the year we'll be out of a recession. If California legalized weed right now, we wouldn't be in a deficit anymore.

Plus all the police officers that were arresting all those "criminal" dealers and potheads can actually do their job and arrest people who actually commit real crimes that affect other people.
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