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Did a plane actually hit the pentagon on 9/11 ?

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Postby the_cat_in_the_hat » Feb 2nd, '06, 12:09

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Postby AspirinE » Feb 2nd, '06, 12:59

* In the history of structural engineering, steel-frame high-rise buildings have never been brought down due to fires either before or since 9/11, so how can fires have brought down three in one day? How is this possible?

* The BBC has reported that at least five of the nineteen alleged "hijackers" have turned up alive and well living in Saudi Arabia, yet according to the FBI, they were among those killed in the attacks. How is this possible?

* Frank DeMartini, a project manager for the WTC, said the buildings were designed with load redistribution capabilities to withstand the impact of airliners, whose effects would be like "puncturing mosquito netting with a pencil." Yet they completely collapsed. How is this possible?

* Since the melting point of steel is about 2,700*F, the temperature of jet fuel fires does not exceed 1,800*F under optimal conditions, and UL certified the steel used to 2,000*F for six hours, the buildings cannot have collapsed due to heat from the fires. How is this possible?

* Flight 77, which allegedly hit the building, left the radar screen in the vicinity of the Ohio/Kentucky border, only to "reappear" in very close proximity to the Pentagon shortly before impact. How is this possible?

* Foreign "terrorists" who were clever enough to coordinate hijacking four commercial airliners seemingly did not know that the least damage to the Pentagon would be done by hitting its west wing. How is this possible?

* Secretary of Transportation Norman Mineta, in an underground bunker at the White House, watched Vice President Cheney castigate a young officer for asking, as the plane drew closer and closer to the Pentagon, "Do the orders still stand?" The order cannot have been to shoot it down, but must have been the opposite. How is this possible?

* A former Inspector General for the Air Force has observed that Flight 93, which allegedly crashed in Pennsylvania, should have left debris scattered over an area less than the size of a city block; but it is scattered over an area of about eight square miles. How is this possible?

* A tape recording of interviews with air traffic controllers on duty on 9/11 was deliberately crushed, cut into very small pieces, and distributed in assorted places to insure its total destruction. How is this possible?

* The Pentagon conducted a training exercise called "MASCAL" simulating the crash of a Boeing 757 into the building on 24 October 2000, and yet Condoleezza Rice, among others, has repeatedly asserted that "no one ever imagined" a domestic airplane could be used as a weapon. How is this possible?

Their own physics research has established that only controlled demolitions are consistent with the near-gravity speed of fall and virtually symmetrical collapse of all three of the WTC buildings. While turning concrete into very fine dust, they fell straight-down into their own footprints.







Would some of u guys please show me some contradictions to these^

Couldn't it be possible that the goverment is thinking on other scales, and uses scare tactics to manipulate peoplea and inspire wars , from wch they will later benifit. Yes it seems like Tirany and and very extreme, but there is proof to it. I for one would love to see proof that its al-queda that did the 9/11. I wanna see some proof that iraq has weapons of mass destructions, that iran is indeed gonna use nuclear resorces to make weapons instead of providing energy for themselves.
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Postby Inzanity » Feb 2nd, '06, 13:16

AspirinE wrote:* In the history of structural engineering, steel-frame high-rise buildings have never been brought down due to fires either before or since 9/11, so how can fires have brought down three in one day? How is this possible?

* The BBC has reported that at least five of the nineteen alleged "hijackers" have turned up alive and well living in Saudi Arabia, yet according to the FBI, they were among those killed in the attacks. How is this possible?

* Frank DeMartini, a project manager for the WTC, said the buildings were designed with load redistribution capabilities to withstand the impact of airliners, whose effects would be like "puncturing mosquito netting with a pencil." Yet they completely collapsed. How is this possible?

* Since the melting point of steel is about 2,700*F, the temperature of jet fuel fires does not exceed 1,800*F under optimal conditions, and UL certified the steel used to 2,000*F for six hours, the buildings cannot have collapsed due to heat from the fires. How is this possible?

* Flight 77, which allegedly hit the building, left the radar screen in the vicinity of the Ohio/Kentucky border, only to "reappear" in very close proximity to the Pentagon shortly before impact. How is this possible?

* Foreign "terrorists" who were clever enough to coordinate hijacking four commercial airliners seemingly did not know that the least damage to the Pentagon would be done by hitting its west wing. How is this possible?

* Secretary of Transportation Norman Mineta, in an underground bunker at the White House, watched Vice President Cheney castigate a young officer for asking, as the plane drew closer and closer to the Pentagon, "Do the orders still stand?" The order cannot have been to shoot it down, but must have been the opposite. How is this possible?

* A former Inspector General for the Air Force has observed that Flight 93, which allegedly crashed in Pennsylvania, should have left debris scattered over an area less than the size of a city block; but it is scattered over an area of about eight square miles. How is this possible?

* A tape recording of interviews with air traffic controllers on duty on 9/11 was deliberately crushed, cut into very small pieces, and distributed in assorted places to insure its total destruction. How is this possible?

* The Pentagon conducted a training exercise called "MASCAL" simulating the crash of a Boeing 757 into the building on 24 October 2000, and yet Condoleezza Rice, among others, has repeatedly asserted that "no one ever imagined" a domestic airplane could be used as a weapon. How is this possible?

Their own physics research has established that only controlled demolitions are consistent with the near-gravity speed of fall and virtually symmetrical collapse of all three of the WTC buildings. While turning concrete into very fine dust, they fell straight-down into their own footprints.







Would some of u guys please show me some contradictions to these^

Couldn't it be possible that the goverment is thinking on other scales, and uses scare tactics to manipulate peoplea and inspire wars , from wch they will later benifit. Yes it seems like Tirany and and very extreme, but there is proof to it. I for one would love to see proof that its al-queda that did the 9/11. I wanna see some proof that iraq has weapons of mass destructions, that iran is indeed gonna use nuclear resorces to make weapons instead of providing energy for themselves.


wow on now I'm starting to think Bush set the attacks up just so he could have a reason to bring America to war. Mabey we did attack ourselfs
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Postby misa » Feb 2nd, '06, 13:25

but if that was right how come they are so stupid :unsure: like they could have covered it up better !!!
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Postby Inzanity » Feb 2nd, '06, 13:26

misa wrote:but if that was right how come they are so stupid :unsure: like they could have covered it up better !!!


we are talking about Bush and he is probably the stupid person alive
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Postby AspirinE » Feb 2nd, '06, 13:30

misa wrote:but if that was right how come they are so stupid :unsure: like they could have covered it up better !!!


they covered it up alrigh

As long as the TV says that its Bin Laden that did it, people will believe it .

[sarcasm]God bless FoX news[/sarcasm]
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Postby Inzanity » Feb 2nd, '06, 13:31

AspirinE wrote:
misa wrote:but if that was right how come they are so stupid :unsure: like they could have covered it up better !!!


they covered it up alrigh

As long as the TV says that its Bin Laden that did it, people will believe it .

[sarcasm]God bless FoX news[/sarcasm]




LMFAO
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Postby Ivy » Feb 3rd, '06, 01:14

I guess the government has brainwashed me all the years I've lived on a Military base....I can't believe this...no matter what evidence is presented..I don't want to believe this.... :'( Whatever happened on 9/11 caused a wakeup....but I don't know what to say about all this....Some things are believable, so are far fetched, some are lies....
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Postby jessicarose_8806 » Feb 3rd, '06, 03:32

ya a plane hit it cuz on flight 93 they said it
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Postby the_cat_in_the_hat » Feb 3rd, '06, 11:29

Sarah wrote:Ok, I'm lost here. So are you sayin that bush was a part of this, cos that can't be possible, he may be stupid and want to start a war or sumin but to have that many people die by a terrorist attact....


Shit I hope I get what you're sayin lol :sweating: . I'm so confused right now :confusion:


Bush was in contact with the whole bin laden family and did business with them years before 2001. The fact that we're running out of oil made the government think of possible solution for this problem cuz when the united states run out of oil the whole world is fucked and theres gonna be a major oil crisis. So which countries got the most oil resources?-the ones in middle-east.
What did Bush do?- He let the attacks on 9/11 happen (and he may messed up the buildings too) in order to get support from the american people to go to war. 1. Afghanistan, to get their drugs into the US economy
2. Iraq, to get their oil resources
3. Iran, again oil (but I don think theyre gonna do that)
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Postby the_cat_in_the_hat » Feb 3rd, '06, 11:52

Sarah wrote:How do you know that though? :confusion:

Cos like it's a pretty bad thing for him to know that they were gonna attack and kill all them peope on the planes, and even ruin the Word Trade Centers. I'm sorry, but I find that hard to believe


http://www.copvcia.com/free/ww3/121103_ ... poppy.html

http://www.copvcia.com/ pretty good site with lots of articles

http://www.endofsuburbia.com/ very good movie


....According to CNN, opium production in Afghanistan is 36 times higher than at the end of Taliban rule.
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Postby AspirinE » Feb 3rd, '06, 12:07

Sarah wrote:I still don't know, but if he was involved in it then he's a really sick man to let all those poor inocint people on the planes and in the buildings lose thier lives, and all the depression of their families. But I still don't see why he would let them knock down the twin towers. I saw a prorgram on T.V when the first and second plane hit, and then they had Bush say sumin I think :-k lol I don't know but they annouced that America was under attack. I don't think Bush would let them attack the U.S. He may be stupid but no one can be that stupid and selfish to let all them people die


ur thinking on the measly civilian scale.

they are playing peoples lives as we speak.

Stalin would sacrifice thousands to save millinons( wich he did )
Bush would sacrifice thousands to ensure america has leading spot in the world.

Sarah u seem like u aint read it... the evidence is proposed, and it has never been contradicted.

So far:

Evidence of bush knocking down the WWC > evidence needed to invade iraq.
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Postby AspirinE » Feb 3rd, '06, 12:15

Sarah wrote:Lmao I don't have time to read it at the moment, but I will.

P.S Fuck Bush!



I doubt its only bush involved in this.

There is sumthing fishy going on ever since Cold war..
its the whole goverment..
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Postby MuNxMuN » Feb 3rd, '06, 15:11

"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we."
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Postby AspirinE » Feb 3rd, '06, 15:16

MuNxMuN wrote:
"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we."
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