Encore is BETTER than The Marshall Mathers LP

[BrownyGee]

LOL and look at his avatar

Sexy right?

[dR3]

]
So I'm crazy for having an opinion? I don't know where you live but I live in America and in America we have something called FREEDOM of SPEECH.

Yeah, freedom of speech.

Then why did you try to change MY opinion with this:

Hate all you want, but you know it's true MMLP sucks

???


You're just one of those dickheads who like attention.

[GoodGirlsGetGutted]

my opinion is that youre crazy

i live in Kazakhstan and that used up my freedom of speech for the week. damn

Poland, Canada, Kazakhstan...
Damn, you get around.

Anyway, no one calls someone crazy for saying TES > MMLP, so this shouldn't be any different.

[BrownyGee]

I wouldn't necessarily say it's better, but I prefer it over the MMLP, personally.

THANK YOU. Finally someone who doesn't think I'm crazy for saying this...

I saw you defending Evil Deeds.
I knew you'd come around.

I do love how icy and minimalist Encore is.

Hahaha yeah, honestly I listened to Evil Deeds this morning just to see what you liked about it, and for some reason I actually really liked it Maybe it's the haunting chorus, the unique beat, or the way he made a song with hardly any of the words rhyming.

[EminemBase]

The Marshall Mathers LP isn't just 'about' those things. You obviously don't understand why it's considered the modern masterpiece it is.

It's a rolled up fireball of subversion, wit, extreme self-expression, personal turmoil. A constant mesh of character hopping, persona-juggling, psychological probing, social commentary. He's not just 'bashing pop stars' okay, in that album he embodies an entire era, pokes fun at it, repulses it... I mean, there's so much going on. His sense of irony on that album is just sublime.

I actually consider The Eminem Show his best album but I can absolutely see why MMLP is as highly regarded as it is and perhaps maybe even should be held as his true magnum opus until he creates something more 'important'. I feel TES is a better album but MMLP is just such a powerhouse, such a single-visioned but totally skizo experience of lyrical genius.

Where as Encore was a mixed bag. It was him not knowing which part of himself should be the most dominant, trying to please everybody and ending up with an arrangement that looks more like a mixtape than an album formation. It has some high points and I consider it a good album overall but my goodness not even close to MMLP.

You're probably just slimsoxshady in disguise though, trying to start a 200 page debate and will end up going "haha another successful troll" with a little gay beer emoticon after about 50 pages.

I just can't vibe with most of the Marshall Mathers LP. The production was horrid.

Production was superb I thought.

Felt very cohesive throughout, really felt like a complete album and not 15 random beats / songs slapped together. Felt like a whole experience.

Don't know how anyone can think the production on "Kill You", "Stan", "The Way I Am", "Criminal" etc. was horrible.

[BrownyGee]

]
So I'm crazy for having an opinion? I don't know where you live but I live in America and in America we have something called FREEDOM of SPEECH.

Yeah, freedom of speech.

Then why did you try to change MY opinion with this:

Hate all you want, but you know it's true MMLP sucks

???


You're just one of those dickheads who like attention.

Wow, no actually I'm not I just like stating my opinion on these threads and yeah it is pretty funny to see all these Stans like you get butt-hurt when I say something like that, but that's not why I do it. When I said "you know it's true MMLP sucks" I was stating my opinion. If people can say Encore sucks then I can say MMLP sucks. I wasn't trying to change your opinion. And whether you like it or not Eminem is an attention whore with all his "hating faggots and bashing pop stars" gimmick, he even admitted it himself. I like Eminem as much as the next guy on here but it's true.

[BrownyGee]

The Marshall Mathers LP isn't just 'about' those things. You obviously don't understand why it's considered the modern masterpiece it is.

It's a rolled up fireball of subversion, wit, extreme self-expression, personal turmoil. A constant mesh of character hopping, persona-juggling, psychological probing, social commentary. He's not just 'bashing pop stars' okay, in that album he embodies an entire era, pokes fun at it, repulses it... I mean, there's so much going on. His sense of irony on that album is just sublime.

I actually consider The Eminem Show his best album but I can absolutely see why MMLP is as highly regarded as it is and perhaps maybe even should be held as his true magnum opus until he creates something more 'important'. I feel TES is a better album but MMLP is just such a powerhouse, such a single-visioned but totally skizo experience of lyrical genius.

Where as Encore was a mixed bag. It was him not knowing which part of himself should be the most dominant, trying to please everybody and ending up with an arrangement that looks more like a mixtape than an album formation. It has some high points and I consider it a good album overall but my goodness not even close to MMLP.

You're probably just slimsoxshady in disguise though, trying to start a 200 page debate and will end up going "haha another successful troll" with a little gay beer emoticon after about 50 pages.

I just can't vibe with most of the Marshall Mathers LP. The production was horrid.

Production was superb I thought.

Felt very cohesive throughout, really felt like a complete album and not 15 random beats / songs slapped together. Felt like a whole experience.
Doesn't work for me.

Don't know how anyone can think the production on "Kill You", "Stan", "The Way I Am", "Criminal" etc. was horrible.

Kill You was stolen from some French musician, Stan was just sampled from another song, The Way I am and Criminal are decent.
But I can't stand the beats of Remember Me, I'm Back, AmityVille, Drug Ballad.

[Chilli]

Most of the MMLP he is just talking about how controversial he is, killing his wife, bashing pop stars, raping his mom, hating faggots etc.

He also deals with issues such as teenage suicide, obsession, censorship, violence in Detroit, the pressures of fame, America (and the world's) tendency to blame the faults of society on scapegoats and that's just off the top of my head.

Plus Stan and Kim are widely regarded as two of the most original (and powerful) musical concepts in history.

Encore doesn't have just as much bashing pop stars? At least on MMLP, most of the people he made fun of deserved it. You think the Christopher Reeve comments were justified?

The "hating faggots", I always took as an ironic stab at the church.

"My words are like a dagger with a jagged edge
That'll stab you in the head
whether you're a fag or lez
Or the homosex, hermaph or a trans-a-vest
Pants or dress - hate fags? The answer's "yes"
Homophobic? Nah, you're just heterophobic
Staring at my jeans, watching my genitals bulging (Ooh!)
That's my motherfucking balls, you'd better let go of em
They belong in my scrotum, you'll never get hold of em
Hey, it's me, Versace
Whoops, somebody shot me!
And I was just checking the mail
Get it? Checking the 'male'?
How many records you expecting to sell
after your second LP sends you directly to jail?
C'mon!-- Relax guy, I like gay men
Right, Ken? Give me an amen (AAA-men!)
Please Lord, this boy needs Jesus
Heal this child, help us destroy these demons
Oh, and please send me a brand new car
And a prostitute while my wife's sick in the hospital"

Whether intentional or not, the placement of the preacher's lines right after his spiel about homosexuality always seemed like a clearly ironic juxtaposition to me. It's as if he's saying "The bible says homosexuality is unnatural to humanity and should be punished with death ["If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them" (Leviticus 20:13)], yet you paint me, a measly entertainer with no real power (compared to the millions who follow Christianity) as a criminal?"

Plus it points out the corruption in the church generally and how they spend their money.

And all that from part of ONE verse. But yeah, I s'pose songs about puppet dogs are way better.

I accept your opinion, but never undermine MMLP like that!

[dR3]

When I said "you know it's true MMLP sucks" I was stating my opinion. I wasn't trying to change your opinion..

By saying "YOU KNOW", it is clear that you weren't stating your opinion. You were just confronting mine and trying to change it.

Stans like you

Weakest punchline ever.

[BrownyGee]

Most of the MMLP he is just talking about how controversial he is, killing his wife, bashing pop stars, raping his mom, hating faggots etc.

He also deals with issues such as teenage suicide, obsession, censorship, violence in Detroit, the pressures of fame, America (and the world's) tendency to blame the faults of society on scapegoats and that's just off the top of my head.

Plus Stan and Kim are widely regarded as two of the most original (and powerful) musical concepts in history.

Encore doesn't have just as much bashing pop stars? At least on MMLP, most of the people he made fun of deserved it. You think the Christopher Reeve comments were justified?

The "hating faggots", I always took as an ironic stab at the church.

"My words are like a dagger with a jagged edge
That'll stab you in the head
whether you're a fag or lez
Or the homosex, hermaph or a trans-a-vest
Pants or dress - hate fags? The answer's "yes"
Homophobic? Nah, you're just heterophobic
Staring at my jeans, watching my genitals bulging (Ooh!)
That's my motherfucking balls, you'd better let go of em
They belong in my scrotum, you'll never get hold of em
Hey, it's me, Versace
Whoops, somebody shot me!
And I was just checking the mail
Get it? Checking the 'male'?
How many records you expecting to sell
after your second LP sends you directly to jail?
C'mon!-- Relax guy, I like gay men
Right, Ken? Give me an amen (AAA-men!)
Please Lord, this boy needs Jesus
Heal this child, help us destroy these demons
Oh, and please send me a brand new car
And a prostitute while my wife's sick in the hospital"

Whether intentional or not, the placement of the preacher's lines right after his spiel about homosexuality always seemed like a clearly ironic juxtaposition to me. It's as if he's saying "The bible says homosexuality is unnatural to humanity and should be punished with death ["If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them" (Leviticus 20:13)], yet you paint me, a measly entertainer with no real power (compared to the millions who follow Christianity) as a criminal?"

Plus it points out the corruption in the church generally and how they spend their money.

And all that from part of ONE verse. But yeah, I s'pose songs about puppet dogs are way better.

I accept your opinion, but never undermine MMLP like that!

Um, actually he DOES talk about Christopher Reeve on MMLP. And like I said before read my description of this thread, I said IF Encore had We As Americans, Ricky Ticky Toc on here instead of Big Weenie, My First Single, and Ass Like That, then most people wouldn't hammer it so much.

[gutawafang]

Nah man. Nah.

[forgot_about_matt]

The Marshall Mathers LP isn't just 'about' those things. You obviously don't understand why it's considered the modern masterpiece it is.

It's a rolled up fireball of subversion, wit, extreme self-expression, personal turmoil. A constant mesh of character hopping, persona-juggling, psychological probing, social commentary. He's not just 'bashing pop stars' okay, in that album he embodies an entire era, pokes fun at it, repulses it... I mean, there's so much going on. His sense of irony on that album is just sublime.

I actually consider The Eminem Show his best album but I can absolutely see why MMLP is as highly regarded as it is and perhaps maybe even should be held as his true magnum opus until he creates something more 'important'. I feel TES is a better album but MMLP is just such a powerhouse, such a single-visioned but totally skizo experience of lyrical genius.

Where as Encore was a mixed bag. It was him not knowing which part of himself should be the most dominant, trying to please everybody and ending up with an arrangement that looks more like a mixtape than an album formation. It has some high points and I consider it a good album overall but my goodness not even close to MMLP.

You're probably just slimsoxshady in disguise though, trying to start a 200 page debate and will end up going "haha another successful troll" with a little gay beer emoticon after about 50 pages.

So truthful.

[BrownyGee]

When I said "you know it's true MMLP sucks" I was stating my opinion. I wasn't trying to change your opinion..

By saying "YOU KNOW", it is clear that you weren't stating your opinion. You were just confronting mine and trying to change it.

Stans like you

Weakest punchline ever.

Ok maybe I could have worded that in a different way, but when it's all said and done it is MY opinion. I don't give 2 shits about what you think. I like Encore better than the MMLP so what? Am I supposed to hate Encore just because so many other people hate it? I DON'T GIVE A FUCK.

[Chilli]

Most of the MMLP he is just talking about how controversial he is, killing his wife, bashing pop stars, raping his mom, hating faggots etc.

He also deals with issues such as teenage suicide, obsession, censorship, violence in Detroit, the pressures of fame, America (and the world's) tendency to blame the faults of society on scapegoats and that's just off the top of my head.

Plus Stan and Kim are widely regarded as two of the most original (and powerful) musical concepts in history.

Encore doesn't have just as much bashing pop stars? At least on MMLP, most of the people he made fun of deserved it. You think the Christopher Reeve comments were justified?

The "hating faggots", I always took as an ironic stab at the church.

"My words are like a dagger with a jagged edge
That'll stab you in the head
whether you're a fag or lez
Or the homosex, hermaph or a trans-a-vest
Pants or dress - hate fags? The answer's "yes"
Homophobic? Nah, you're just heterophobic
Staring at my jeans, watching my genitals bulging (Ooh!)
That's my motherfucking balls, you'd better let go of em
They belong in my scrotum, you'll never get hold of em
Hey, it's me, Versace
Whoops, somebody shot me!
And I was just checking the mail
Get it? Checking the 'male'?
How many records you expecting to sell
after your second LP sends you directly to jail?
C'mon!-- Relax guy, I like gay men
Right, Ken? Give me an amen (AAA-men!)
Please Lord, this boy needs Jesus
Heal this child, help us destroy these demons
Oh, and please send me a brand new car
And a prostitute while my wife's sick in the hospital"

Whether intentional or not, the placement of the preacher's lines right after his spiel about homosexuality always seemed like a clearly ironic juxtaposition to me. It's as if he's saying "The bible says homosexuality is unnatural to humanity and should be punished with death ["If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them" (Leviticus 20:13)], yet you paint me, a measly entertainer with no real power (compared to the millions who follow Christianity) as a criminal?"

Plus it points out the corruption in the church generally and how they spend their money.

And all that from part of ONE verse. But yeah, I s'pose songs about puppet dogs are way better.

I accept your opinion, but never undermine MMLP like that!

Um, actually he DOES talk about Christopher Reeve on MMLP. And like I said before read my description of this thread, I said IF Encore had We As Americans, Ricky Ticky Toc on here instead of Big Weenie, My First Single, and Ass Like That, then most people wouldn't hammer it so much.

Fuck shit ass bitch cunt, shooby-de-doo-wop (what?)
Skibbedy-be-bop, a-Christopher Reeves"

Barely counts as "bashing him".

I like a majority of Encore too. I can understand if you don't like MMLP, I just don't understand how you can't appreciate it.

[EminemBase]

People who go on about him bashing gays on MMLP quite clearly do not understand irony. It's so fucking stupid to actually say he's gay bashing as if with no jest with this album.

He couldn't make it MORE obvious. I mean "The Way I Am" says it all. I AM WHATEVER YOU SAY I AM. Due to confusion / assumptions / accusations the first time round he's simply embodying any critcisms / accusations and BECOMING those things.

That's why he BECOMES a gay basher, he becomes vile, he becomes hate, he embodies all these things people were saying he was the first time round out due to the misunderstanding of art and he ramps it up ten fold. He didn't need to perform with Elton John to make it clear he's not homephobic. It was obvious from day one to anybody with half a fucking brain.

I mean it couldn't be more blatant baiting. More obvious, in your face, childhood tactics. Yet these people still picketed the album (WITH GENUINE INTENT) for the exact things he's button-pushing on... Ironically. . I mean how fucking moronic can you get. It's actually hilarious looking back. It's still hilarious, because some people still do not get it.

It's also ridiculous attaching all these things, ironic or not to him as an individual. It's like taking what a comedian says and printing that as his opinion. No, he's saying these things to be funny. It's supposed to be shocking / edgy / whatever, that's why he's a comedian. And Eminem is a lyricist. So he's supposed to provoke, supposed to push the envelope, supposed to be daring and original. That to me is what a true artist does.

If you're just safe and compromising then you're nothing. Being safe and watered down, it's just pointless. It's not fun to be part of the crowd. It's far cooler to be an outsider with everybody wanting to stand with you. And any great artist provokes this reaction. This is why to me, Drake, Wayne, people like this. They aren't great artists. Some people may like their music, find them catchy / enjoyable... Whatever. But artistically, they're not doing anything.