Meaningful-Song Bashing

[GenePeer]

I don't get why tons of people will bash songs like "Mockingbird", "Beautiful", "Talkin' 2 Myself", "When I'm Gone", etc for having "lazy writing" and yet consider "Stan" one of his greatest? Is there something about the writing "Stan" I'm missing? Because I'm pretty sure the rhyming in "Stan" isn't up to "Eminem standards". I admit that the rhyming isn't good, and he's done better "meaningful" songs like "Deja Vu" or "Rock Bottom", but if you're going to call these songs horrible, please don't be a fucking hypocrite and go on to say "Stan" is a classic.

[Tash8]

Stan has fantastic rhyming.

[classthe_king]

Stan is classic

[GenePeer]

I never said it isn't classic, i love stan! but i also love beautiful & mockingbird which i'll get facepalms for!

Stan has fantastic rhyming.

please give examples... my sig is an example of what i think is fantastic rhyming.

[buffalo bill]

Stan is an example of fantastic story telling. It's not about the rhymes first and foremost, it's the story. Since I don't consider those other songs horrible I'm probably not the right one to defend Stan here but I do think they are simply not all that great either except When I'm Gone which is also one of his best. The others are not nearly as interesting.

[buffalo bill]

Lyrics of Mockingbird are very emotional and personal but what are they other than that? They don't really tell me anything.

[Omar Khalid]

Lyrics of Mockingbird are very emotional and personal but what are they other than that? They don't really tell me anything.

Atleast they tell true stories not fictional stories.

[MikeNUFC]

Stan's rhyming is a million times better than Mockingbird, Talkin 2 Myself and When I'm Gone's rhyming. Plus it's great storytelling, which is fucking hard to do.

Stan is also in the form of letters so the rhyming HAS to be slightly toned down.

[Evan C.]

I don't get why tons of people will bash songs like "Mockingbird", "Beautiful", "Talkin' 2 Myself", "When I'm Gone", etc for having "lazy writing" and yet consider "Stan" one of his greatest? Is there something about the writing "Stan" I'm missing? Because I'm pretty sure the rhyming in "Stan" isn't up to "Eminem standards". I admit that the rhyming isn't good, and he's done better "meaningful" songs like "Deja Vu" or "Rock Bottom", but if you're going to call these songs horrible, please don't be a fucking hypocrite and go on to say "Stan" is a classic.

The rhyming in Stan is FAR better than Mockingbird, Beautiful, and When I'm Gone. Those songs are completely devoid of mutis while Stan has some...for example big-gist-fan/this-is-Stan. Stan is just simplistic rhyme-wise compared to the body of work of Eminem in his prime. But when you look at it in the context of the song--which is a written correspondence between two individuals--it doesn't seem so bad. It's hard to get too creative when you're working in the structure of what someone would write in a letter.

Talkin' 2 Myself is what I would classify as poor rhyming, yes, but not nearly on the level of Mockingbird and the other "serious" songs he did while he was a full-blown addict. Those songs are just hideously awful.

[Evan C.]

Stan's rhyming is a million times better than Mockingbird, Talkin 2 Myself and When I'm Gone's rhyming. Plus it's great storytelling, which is fucking hard to do.

Stan is also in the form of letters so the rhyming HAS to be slightly toned down.

You're beating me to the punch in every thread.

[gutawafang]

Dear slim, I wrote to you but you still ain't calling.

[GenePeer]

So now Stan is excused for poor rhyming because it's in letter form? So why are you so harsh on Mockingbird? Because he didn't start the verses with "Dear Hailie,"? or Talking 2 Myself could just have started with "Dear listener,"... so if these songs had started like this, would you (Mike & Evan) still think they're horrible songs? or would you say, "nothing groundbreaking but still nice/ok-song, writing could have been better but since it's in letter form it's alright."?

[MikeNUFC]

So now Stan is excused for poor rhyming because it's in letter form? So why are you so harsh on Mockingbird? Because he didn't start the verses with "Dear Hailie,"? or Talking 2 Myself could just have started with "Dear listener,"... so if these songs had started like this, would you (Mike & Evan) still think they're horrible songs? or would you say, "nothing groundbreaking but still nice/ok-song, writing could have been better but since it's in letter form it's alright."?

No.

Becuase the concept of letters to his daughter would have been silly as shit - crazed fan is much better.

Plus the fact Mockingbird shouldnt even be compared lyrically to Stan, it's that far behind. Stan isnt bad lyrically is what I'm saying. But becuase the concept is genius you can understand slight slacking in lyrical ability.