Should a Mosque be built near ground zero?

[mrjizzbomber]

My views are summed up here:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... ero-mosque

And read it all....

Perfect

[FAME]

My dad was just yelling at me about this while Glenn Beck was on...I was not pleased.

First off, they aren't breaking any laws, nobody is physically being hurt from a mosque being there! If they buy the property its theirs! Do whatever you want with it! It's sick and disgusting the views that the "newz" puts on people, because until very recent my mom thought it was being bulit right next to where the towers where! UM IT'S NOT! Get your facts straight people. And my dad was trying to tell me something about when Muslims "conquer" an area they like to build a mosque near or on it. I'm not sure if this is true so I would like to ask the people who are Muslim here (I'm not informed so I would like to know before I judge it, like smart people do!!(foxnews) anyways even if that is true if they buy it they own it. I thought everyone was for it's out land! Let us do what we want with it! And...gosh we even forgot our basic freedoms this country was founded on? All I hear from my dad is they are Muslim and they attacked us! But it was only a small group, that's like having an older brother who is very bad and peope already believing you are the same, it's not right.

[mrjizzbomber]

Your dad has fallen victim to Fox News propaganda. When the Mosque was first planned out, it received the blessings from Christian and Jewish leaders. Fox News pundits even said they had "no problem with it", and congratulated one of the people involved with the project (the purpose of the building is to build inter-faith tolerance).

Now, Republicans believe they have something political to gain (it is a very important election this November). They are just using this issue to inflame their followers. Nobody cares to check the facts or question the propaganda - or even realize that just a short time ago even Fox themselves were saying the project is a good idea.

Fox News = create controversy, get people riled up, get them out to vote. Its foolish.

The article Mike posted really summed it up nicely - except it failed to really stress that the reason Fox and the Republicans are trying to make it a big deal is for votes in November. Its sad, Republicans need some help, 1.5 billion (BILLION) people in the world get discriminated against.

[FAME]

Your dad has fallen victim to Fox News propaganda. When the Mosque was first planned out, it received the blessings from Christian and Jewish leaders. Fox News pundits even said they had "no problem with it", and congratulated one of the people involved with the project (the purpose of the building is to build inter-faith tolerance).

Now, Republicans believe they have something political to gain (it is a very important election this November). They are just using this issue to inflame their followers. Nobody cares to check the facts or question the propaganda - or even realize that just a short time ago even Fox themselves were saying the project is a good idea.

Fox News = create controversy, get people riled up, get them out to vote. Its foolish.

The article Mike posted really summed it up nicely - except it failed to really stress that the reason Fox and the Republicans are trying to make it a big deal is for votes in November. Its sad, Republicans need some help, 1.5 billion (BILLION) people in the world get discriminated against.

thanks for giving me some info, I like to be very informed before I take sides on things.

Honestly whether right or wrong in anyone's eyes they have every right to build it. I take the side of let them build what they want on their space. It's not a disrespect to America to build it there either, people forget they Muslims also died on 9/11. I heard a story about a firefighter who saved some people in the buildings but didn't come out and he was Muslim. You know what screw it, why are we even debating this. It shouldn't be a problem

[psu24]

I don't have a problem with them building one in the general area but building right where the Twin Towers were hit is fucking stupid. They really [b]have[b] to build it there? Again if the a group of Christians from the U.S. wanted to build a church where we attacked Japan or in any Muslim territories it wouldn't be allowed, it wouldn't even be debated because the Japanese government wouldn't let it happen. People love looking at the U.S. as the bad guys but don't realize that other countries are a lot more bigoted and have a lot stricter laws regarding these issues.

[mrjizzbomber]

I don't have a problem with them building one in the general area but building right where the Twin Towers were hit is fucking stupid. They really [b]have[b] to build it there? Again if the a group of Christians from the U.S. wanted to build a church where we attacked Japan or in any Muslim territories it wouldn't be allowed, it wouldn't even be debated because the Japanese government wouldn't let it happen. People love looking at the U.S. as the bad guys but don't realize that other countries are a lot more bigoted and have a lot stricter laws regarding these issues.

1 - its 2 blocks away form where the towers were. I would have a problem with ANY religious building being built ON THE SPOT where the towers once stood - it would be inflammatory and contradictory to our secular country. As a matter of fact, I would have a problem with ANY BUILDING WHATSOEVER on that spot, unless its one stunning fucking memorial.

2 - I don't get when people defend this intolerance by saying "but, they are intolerant of us in ________". The fuck? Are we supposed to use the Middle East, or Southeast Asia, or ANYWHERE as OUR role model? Actually, I remember that being in the national anthem...

O! say does that star-spangled banner yet wave,
O'er the land of the 'were gonna just follow what everyone else does'
and the home of the 'fuck having our own convictions. And screw that liberty concept too.'

[mrjizzbomber]

thanks for giving me some info, I like to be very informed before I take sides on things.

Honestly whether right or wrong in anyone's eyes they have every right to build it. I take the side of let them build what they want on their space. It's not a disrespect to America to build it there either, people forget they Muslims also died on 9/11. I heard a story about a firefighter who saved some people in the buildings but didn't come out and he was Muslim. You know what screw it, why are we even debating this. It shouldn't be a problem

The only against argument that really makes ANY sense is "its GOING to cause controversy... so you might as well just move it and avoid a fiasco".

Although, to be honest, that would be a terrible mistake. This country is all about letting freedom shine bright, and anything else would just be completely un-American; think about it - Martin Luther King, Susan B. Anthony... the great Americans stood up in the face of animosity and our country is better for it today thanks to them.

So, unfortunately, Muslims have a battle facing them - just as blacks and women did in the past. But, I still have faith in this country and the people who live here... so I think in the end the foundations of our country (equal rights, freedom) will come out on top.

Oh, and by the way, 20 years form now - after this whole fiasco has blown by and people finally respect Muslims (and all religions) as equals... I bet you your dad and those idiot pundits he watches on Fox News will all be saying "yeah, of course we respect Muslims as our equals! How crazy would it be not to! I ALWAYS felt that way!". In a progressive country, once progress has taken place, the intolerant seem to 'disappear', and all that is left are people saying "I always respected blacks/women/Muslims"!!! You'll see...

[Omar Khalid]

Y'all just talking like it's Muslims who destroyed the twin towers.

[mrjizzbomber]

Y'all just talking like it's Muslims who destroyed the twin towers.

The controversy itself is ridiculous - people should be better educated than to think its Muslims who destroyed the WTC. Thats not the question, of course it's

HOWEVER, the "only argument against" I am referring to is because "we know those idiots are out there" and "we know it will cause problems, however unwarranted"

Regardless, refer to me previous post - sometimes controversy is a good thing. It shows the ignorant bastards in this country just how ignorant they really are.

[TheHundred$]

NO.. Why don't we just put up a Nazi Flag up in remembrance of the Holocaust.

They have the right to put a Mosque anywhere they like.. But is Ground Zero really appropriate... Come on now.. It's one of those things.... You can do it.. but you shouldn't.. Why WOULD YOU. Just totally inappropriate.

[mrjizzbomber]

NO.. Why don't we just put up a Nazi Flag up in remembrance of the Holocaust.

They have the right to put a Mosque anywhere they like.. But is Ground Zero really appropriate... Come on now.. It's one of those things.... You can do it.. but you shouldn't.. Why WOULD YOU. Just totally inappropriate.

Heres the mistake in your reasoning:

Your example (Nazi flag in remembrance of Holocaust) would be like putting up an AL QAEDA flag or an AL QAEDA community center near ground zero.

You are completely misrepresenting who is responsible for those terrorist attacks. The terrorists are Al Qaeda, aka small group of terrorist extremist assholes. Not Muslims, aka 1.5 billion people in the planet.

And, going back to that Nazi thing... do you have any problem when a German flag is flown at the UN? No, because you associate Nazi's with the Holocaust, not Germans, as you should. Likewise, you should associate Al Qaeda with terrorism, not Muslims, which you fail to do.

[TheHundred$]

NO.. Why don't we just put up a Nazi Flag up in remembrance of the Holocaust.

They have the right to put a Mosque anywhere they like.. But is Ground Zero really appropriate... Come on now.. It's one of those things.... You can do it.. but you shouldn't.. Why WOULD YOU. Just totally inappropriate.

Heres the mistake in your reasoning:

Your example (Nazi flag in remembrance of Holocaust) would be like putting up an AL QAEDA flag or an AL QAEDA community center near ground zero.

You are completely misrepresenting who is responsible for those terrorist attacks. The terrorists are Al Qaeda, aka small group of terrorist extremist assholes. Not Muslims, aka 1.5 billion people in the planet.

And, going back to that Nazi thing... do you have any problem when a German flag is flown at the UN? No, because you associate Nazi's with the Holocaust, not Germans, as you should. Likewise, you should associate Al Qaeda with terrorism, not Muslims, which you fail to do.

You are wrong. I am saying why do they need to put a Mosque up there... Do we put an american flag in Hiroshima? How would that be? I can say the same thing... Not all Americans bombed Hiroshima... Just the Army...

It's still not appropriate. If it has nothing to do with all Muslims then why do they need to put a Mosque on an area that has NOTHING to do with them? The only association people have with 911 and muslims are the terrorist attacks... so Why do they need to put a MOSQUE up in our MEMORIAL GROUNDS.


EDIT: However I was under the impression that it was being built WHERE the towers once stood. Now that I have read through all the other posts. I am not against it.. As long as it is not in that exact area.

[mrjizzbomber]

You are wrong. I am saying why do they need to put a Mosque up there... Do we put an american flag in Hiroshima? How would that be? I can say the same thing... Not all Americans bombed Hiroshima... Just the Army...

It's still not appropriate. If it has nothing to do with all Muslims then why do they need to put a Mosque on an area that has NOTHING to do with them? The only association people have with 911 and muslims are the terrorist attacks... so Why do they need to put a MOSQUE up in our MEMORIAL GROUNDS.


EDIT: However I was under the impression that it was being built WHERE the towers once stood. Now that I have read through all the other posts. I am not against it.. As long as it is not in that exact area.

1 - Hello! "All Americans" DID bomb Hiroshima! Our country, as a whole, was at war. That act was done in the name of America!!! The analogy you are looking for is "not all Christians" bombed Hiroshima... but... I don't think the Japanese would have any problem at all putting a church there, so that doesn't help any anti-mosque sentiment.

2 - That area DOES have a LOT to do with Muslims. Muslims LIVE THERE. They live in NYC! Thats why they want the mosque (its really a community center, like a YMCA... basketball courts, food court, etc. There will also be a prayer room). If Mulims didn't live in that area... there would be no demand for a Muslim community center!

Were an integrated nation with ALL religions in our population - NYC in particular! Hundreds of Muslims died on 9/11. Thousands of Muslims live in the city! I'm sure there are dozens of Muslims living IN THE BUILDINGS ADJACENT to where the community center will be erected! How can you say they have nothing to do with that area?

[Shit Can Happen]

You're comparing a religion to a country by the way Dr. Dope, basically implying that Muslims aren't already a part of America and are "invading" American turf with their mosque. When in actuality the people who are building and would be attending this mosque/community center are already Americans and hence they are one of "us." Hiroshima analogy fails.

And, lol, Muslims have A LOT to do with New York City, even before 9/11.

[mrjizzbomber]

You're comparing a religion to a country by the way Dr. Dope, basically implying that Muslims aren't already a part of America and are "invading" American turf with their mosque. When in actuality the people who are building and would be attending this mosque/community center are already Americans and hence they are one of "us." Hiroshima analogy fails.

And, lol, Muslims have A LOT to do with New York City, even before 9/11.

Its not even comparing a religion to a country, its comparing a religion to a radical terrorist group. It would be akin to calling all Christians KKK members (actually... THERES an analogy that fits this craziness well!)