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Re: 9/11 Conspiracies

Postby dR3 » Sep 9th, '10, 02:19

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classthe_king wrote:What is the best supporting evidence that it was an inside job.

I think it's the missile (supposed plane) that hit the Pentagon, the most secure place on Earth.

I don't think it's possible for a plane to get even near to it if it's not an inside job.


The plane hit the side of the building that was newly renovated, right? I forget how many died, but if you compared how many people COULD HAVE, if it hadn't still been in repair, its ridiculous. I still think its less ridiculous than the government firing a missile at it... I don't know. I've never really looked into any of this, but I haven't found anything to make me looker harder into it.

Dunno if that side was being renovated.

And, around 120 people (around 50 of which were military personnel) were killed at the Pentagon. Plus 60+ passengers on the supposed flight.

Watch this video, it's pretty obvious that what hit the Pentagon, wasn't a plane.
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Re: 9/11 Conspiracies

Postby Emadyville » Sep 9th, '10, 03:02

^ exactly, including the round hole that remained through 3 levels of concrete walls, but that's it, like a missile hit it :coffee:

Edit: o and not to mention the over 70 videos that would have captured the plane hitting the penagon that were confiscated by the FBI the day after, and never released. Yet 2 videos were released, one from the entrance to the pentagon that showed just 5 frames and was inconclusive, and had the WRONG DATE :facepalm

the other film released was at an angle where you just see smoke rise and no plane...but this all seems normal right????....didn't think so :whistle:
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Re: 9/11 Conspiracies

Postby classthe_king » Sep 9th, '10, 03:21

Planes hit, a weapon's born tracking us with Echelon,
When a video exists of a missile hitting the pentagon,

Where's the video?
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Re: 9/11 Conspiracies

Postby Emadyville » Sep 9th, '10, 03:55

classthe_king wrote:Planes hit, a weapon's born tracking us with Echelon,
When a video exists of a missile hitting the pentagon,

Where's the video?


Why did the FBI confiscate over 70 videos and never released them, I'm sure those would have shown a plane hitting it, but if it did they would have released them right?

http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/ev ... otage.html
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Re: 9/11 Conspiracies

Postby classthe_king » Sep 10th, '10, 03:33

Emadyville wrote:
classthe_king wrote:Planes hit, a weapon's born tracking us with Echelon,
When a video exists of a missile hitting the pentagon,

Where's the video?


Why did the FBI confiscate over 70 videos and never released them, I'm sure those would have shown a plane hitting it, but if it did they would have released them right?

http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/ev ... otage.html


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Re: 9/11 Conspiracies

Postby Robbie G » Sep 10th, '10, 03:42

Maybe it's just because I'd rather be ignorant than know the truth, but I just don't see any of these theories being true. :unsure:
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Re: 9/11 Conspiracies

Postby Emadyville » Sep 10th, '10, 03:49

Robbie G wrote:Maybe it's just because I'd rather be ignorant than know the truth, but I just don't see any of these theories being true. :unsure:


Well if you ever get the time, look into it, it's quite intriguing and very hard to believe as being the truth...or as what they told us :'(
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Re: 9/11 Conspiracies

Postby Arrinef » Sep 10th, '10, 04:27

Emadyville wrote:
Robbie G wrote:Maybe it's just because I'd rather be ignorant than know the truth, but I just don't see any of these theories being true. :unsure:


Well if you ever get the time, look into it, it's quite intriguing and very hard to believe as being the truth...or as what they told us :'(

word, and to think america isnt as great of a picture as they paint it out to be.

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Re: 9/11 Conspiracies

Postby Emadyville » Sep 11th, '10, 05:13

Well it's now offically been 9 years...

No matter what really went on that day, nearly 3,000 died on 9/11/01

More people have died from the polluted air surrounding ground zero than on 9/11 itself, and it's estimated 40,000 will die from the same problem. They were told the air was clean, they were lied to and faced the ultimate discrace to a society trying to help after that tragedy, their government let them and everyone else down. The asbestos that would have cost $1 billion to be removed from each building (so $2B total) is what has and will kill them, and all this can be is a clear motive to why those buildings were targeted.

Also, we cannot forget the over 3,000 people who died in car accidents in the full year after 9/11 because people were not flying. Yes, this is the truth, and just another reason to remember this day.

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Re: 9/11 Conspiracies

Postby dR3 » Sep 11th, '10, 18:31

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Re: 9/11 Conspiracies

Postby mcZu » Sep 11th, '10, 18:49

Robert Fisk: Nine years, two wars, hundreds of thousands dead – and nothinglearnt

Did 9/11 make us all mad? Our memorial to the innocents who died nine years ago has been a holocaust of fire and blood . . .

Saturday, 11 September 2010

Did 9/11 make us all go mad? How fitting, in a weird, crazed way, that the apotheosis of that firestorm nine years ago should turn out to be a crackpot preacher threatening another firestorm with a Nazi-style book burning of the Koran. Or a would-be mosque two blocks from "ground zero" – as if 9/11 was an onslaught on Jesus-worshipping Christians, rather than on the atheist West.

But why should we be surprised? Just look at all the other crackpots spawned in the aftermath of those international crimes against humanity: the half-crazed Ahmadinejad, the smarmy post-nuclear Gaddafi, Blair with his crazed right eye and George W Bush with his black prisons and torture and lunatic "war on terror". And that wretched man who lived – or lives still – in an Afghan cave and the hundreds of al-Qa'idas whom he created, and the one-eyed mullah – not to mention all the lunatic cops and intelligence agencies and CIA thugs who failed us all – utterly – on 9/11 because they were too idle or too stupid to identify 19 men who were going to attack the United States. And remember one thing: even if the Rev Terry Jones sticks with his decision to back down, another of our cranks will be ready to take his place.

Indeed, on this grim ninth anniversary – and heaven spare us next year from the 10th – 9/11 appears to have produced not peace or justice or democracy or human rights, but monsters. They have prowled Iraq – both the Western and the local variety – and slaughtered 100,000 souls, or 500,000, or a million; and who cares? They have killed tens of thousands in Afghanistan; and who cares? And as the sickness has spread across the Middle East and then the globe, they – the air force pilots and the insurgents, the Marines and the suicide bombers, the al-Qa'idas of the Maghreb and of the Khalij and of the Caliphate of Iraq and the special forces and the close air support boys and the throat-cutters – have torn the heads off women and children and the old and the sick and the young and healthy, from the Indus to the Mediterranean, from Bali to the London Tube; quite a memorial to the 2,966 innocents who were killed nine years ago. All in their name, it seems, has been our holocaust of fire and blood, enshrined now in the crazed pastor of Gainesville.

This is the loss, of course. But who's made the profit? Well, the arms dealers, naturally, and Boeing and Lockheed Martin and all the missile lads and the drone manufacturers and F-16 spare parts outfits and the ruthless mercenaries who stalk the Muslim lands on our behalf now that we have created 100,000 more enemies for each of the 19 murderers of 9/11. Torturers have had a good time, honing their sadism in America's black prisons – it was appropriate that the US torture centre in Poland should be revealed on this ninth anniversary – as have the men (and women, I fear) who perfect the shackles and water-drowning techniques with which we now fight our wars. And – let us not forget – every religious raver in the world, be they of the Bin Laden variety, the bearded groupies in the Taliban, the suicide executioners, the hook-in the arm preachers, or our very own pastor of Gainesville.

And God? Where does he fit in? An archive of quotations suggests that just about every monster created in or after 9/11 is a follower of this quixotic redeemer. Bin Laden prays to God – "to turn America into a shadow of itself", as he told me in 1997 – and Bush prayed to God and Blair prayed – and prays – to God, and all the Muslim killers and an awful lot of Western soldiers and Dr (honorary) Pastor Terry Jones and his 30 (or it may be 50, since all statistics are hard to come by in the "war on terror") pray to God. And poor old God, of course, has had to listen to these prayers as he always sits through them during our mad wars. Recall the words attributed to him by a poet of another generation: "God this, God that, and God the other thing. 'Good God,' said God, 'I've got my work cut out'." And that was just the First World War...

Just five years ago – on the fourth anniversary of the twin towers/Pentagon/Pennsylvania attacks – a schoolgirl asked me at a lecture in a Belfast church whether the Middle East would benefit from more religion. No – less religion! – I howled back. God is good for contemplation, not for war. But – and here we are driven on to the reefs and hidden rocks which our leaders wish us to ignore, forget and cast aside – this whole bloody mess involves the Middle East; it is about a Muslim people who have kept their faith while those Westerners who dominate them – militarily, economically, culturally, socially – have lost theirs. How can this be, Muslims ask? Indeed, it is a superb irony that the Rev Jones is a believer while the rest of us – by and large – are not. Hence our books and our documentaries never refer to Muslims vs Christians, but Muslims versus "The West".

And of course, the one taboo subject of which we must not speak – Israel's relationship with America, and America's unconditional support for Israel's theft of land from Muslim Arabs – also lies at the heart of this terrible crisis in our lives. In yesterday's edition of The Independent, there was a photograph of Afghan demonstrators chanting "death to America". But in the background, these same demonstrators were carrying a black banner with a message in Dari written upon it in white paint. What it actually said was: "The bloodsucking Zionist government regime and the Western leaders who are indifferent [to suffering] and have no conscience are again celebrating the new year by spilling the red blood of the Palestinians."

The message is as extreme as it is vicious – but it proves, yet again, that the war in which we are engaged is also about Israel and "Palestine". We may prefer to ignore this in "the West" – where Muslims supposedly "hate us for what we are" or "hate our democracy" (see: Bush, Blair and a host of other mendacious politicians) – but this great conflict lies at the heart of the "war on terror". That is why the equally vicious Benjamin Netanyahu reacted to the atrocities of 9/11 by claiming that the event would be good for Israel. Israel would now be able to claim that it, too, was fighting the "war on terror", that Arafat – this was the now-comatose Ariel Sharon's claim – is "our Bin Laden". And thus Israelis had the gall to claim that Sderot, under its cascade of tin-pot missiles from Hamas, was "our ground zero".

It was not. Israel's battle with the Palestinians is a ghastly caricature of our "war on terror", in which we are supposed to support the last colonial project on earth – and accept its thousands of victims – because the twin towers and the Pentagon and United Flight 93 were attacked by 19 Arab murderers nine years ago. There is a supreme irony in the fact that one direct result of 9/11 has been the stream of Western policemen and spooks who have travelled to Israel to improve their "anti-terrorist expertise" with the help of Israeli officers who may – according to the United Nations – be war criminals. It was no surprise to find that the heroes who gunned down poor old Jean Charles de Menezes on the London Tube in 2005 had been receiving "anti-terrorist" advice from the Israelis.

And yes, I know the arguments. We cannot compare the actions of evil terrorists with the courage of our young men and women, defending our lives – and sacrificing theirs – on the front lines of the 'war on terror". There can be no "equivalence". "They" kill innocents because "they" are evil. "We" kill innocents by mistake. But we know we are going to kill innocents – we willingly accept that we are going to kill innocents, that our actions are going to create mass graves of families, of the poor and the weak and the dispossessed.

This is why we created the obscene definition of "collateral damage". For if "collateral" means that these victims are innocent, then "collateral" also means that we are innocent of killing them. It was not our wish to kill them – even if we knew it was inevitable that we would. "Collateral" is our exoneration. This one word is the difference between "them" and "us", between our God-given right to kill and Bin Laden's God-given right to murder. The victims, hidden away as "collateral" corpses, don't count any more because they were slaughtered by us. Maybe it wasn't so painful. Maybe death by drone is a more gentle departure from this earth, evisceration by an AGM-114C Boeing-Lockheed air-to-ground missile less painful, than death by shards from a roadside bomb or a cruel suicider with an explosive belt.

That's why we know how many died on 9/11 – 2,966, although the figure may be higher – and why we don't "do body counts" on those whom we kill. Because they – "our" victims – must have no identities, no innocence, no personality, no cause or belief or feelings; and because we have killed far, far more human beings than Bin Laden and the Taliban and al-Qa'ida.

Anniversaries are newspaper and television events. And they can have an eerie habit of coalescing together to create an unhappy memorial framework. Thus do we commemorate the Battle of Britain – a chivalric episode in our history – and the Blitz, a progenitor of mass murder, to be sure, but a symbol of innocent courage – as we remember the start of a war that has torn our morality apart, turned our politicians into war criminals, our soldiers into killers and our ruthless enemies into heroes of the anti-Western cause. And while on this gloomy anniversary the Rev Jones wanted to burn a book called the Koran, Tony Blair tried to sell a book called A Journey. Jones said the Koran was "evil"; Britons have asked whether the Blair book should be classified as "crime". Certainly, 9/11 has moved into fantasy when the Rev Jones can command the attention of the Obamas and the Clintons and the Holy Father and the even more Holy United Nations. Whom the gods would destroy...



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Re: 9/11 Conspiracies

Postby Emadyville » Sep 11th, '10, 19:51

^ thanks for that Zu, it was a good read :y:
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Re: 9/11 Conspiracies

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Re: 9/11 Conspiracies

Postby Emadyville » Sep 13th, '10, 14:19

Robbie G wrote:http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=911_morons

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its shit like this that make people think they know what they're talking about :facepalm
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Re: 9/11 Conspiracies

Postby Kez » Sep 14th, '10, 22:40

Robbie G wrote:http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=911_morons

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lol i can see how that's funny, but all the same it doesn't change anything.
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