would the eminem of 2002 of mocked the eminem of 2010 ?

[M15HKA]

I don't think anyone thinks love songs by default are cheesy.

[M15HKA]

I don't think anyone thinks love songs by default are cheesy.

Oh, there are people who think so.

People who rip on Recovery for having love songs like Space Bound and 25 to Life, for example.

Wasn't saying you did, but your post just reminded me.

haha all good i see your point. & Year 25 to life is 2cnd fav track from Recovery. Space bound would be top 3 but i can't stand the hook.

[Kez]

Love songs, for the most part, are just lazy writing.

Obviously, this don't apply to stuff like Space Bound and 25 to Life (if you class it as that) - i'd say it does for LTWYL though.

[Kez]

Love songs, for the most part, are just lazy writing.

Obviously, this don't apply to stuff like Space Bound and 25 to Life (if you class it as that) - i'd say it does for LTWYL though.

I don't understand how LTWYL is lazy writing. It's not easy to write a song like that.

Yes it is. It's easy as fuck, especially when you know that any stupid moron will buy it because it's about love. Love The Way You Lie is just a shitty version of Love You More.

[Emadyville]

If 27 year-old Slim Shady heard the song, Eminem admits, "He'd be like, 'What the fuck? You got soft.' " But he adds, "If I can make songs to inspire people and try to help them, fuck, why not?

- spin interview

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[Berry]

Love The Way You Lie is just a shitty version of Love You More.

I00% agree with you man.

I mean, It was obvious what Em needed at that time was another extremely personal song about Kim.

Four albums into his career, that's exactly what I wanted to hear.

On LTWYL he actually let's the audience relate if you've ever had such a aggressive relationship. Fuck that man! I want a song about Kim's saggy tits.

[Kez]

On LTWYL he actually let's the audience relate if you ever had such a aggressive relationship. Fuck that man! I want a song about Kim's saggy tits.

lmaoo

I don't even care that it's a repetitive concept; Going Through Changes is just Deja Vu but more depressing but i still like it. I don't like Love The Way You Lie for a multitude of reasons, the main three being the manufactured feel of it, the cheesy ass lazy writing and the fucking "window pain" line.

I say it's manufactured for many reasons. One, he shoved Rihanna on it purely because he knew it'd sell. Or, more accurately, the label did, i'd like to think Em doesn't give a shit (either that or he's a hypocrite judging from recent interviews where he says he doesn't). Two, it's designed to attract idiots, 14 year old girls who think they know what love is and idiots who will only listen to songs about love/songs that get played everywhere (same thing basically).

Secondly, the cheesy ass lazy writing. This is not a hard type of song to write; half of the song is just him bitching about domestic violence. Which is cool but he's done it before, much better. Also it's very dumbed down; while Love You More went pretty deep and dealt with an actual relationship, this song just chooses to pile on thinly-veiled allusions to domestic violence amongst a bunch of bitching about an argument. Also, all this garbage about "steel knife in my windpipe" "oh you make me so nervous" is typical pop garbage fare.

I also get amused by the idiocy this song's managed to uncover; if any of the girls who bump LTWYL were to actually listen to Recovery, and hear an album opener discussing how he will "kick a bitch in the cunt till it makes her queef and sounds like a fucking whoopee cushion", they'd probably faint right out of their £200 expensive shoes, or else make an "omgshocker" Facebook status about it (depending on their age), completely shocked that their "oh he loves her he's in pain" rapper is actually a man who, in the end, has actually had a true relationship. One that did not break up over petty arguments like "you didn't text me enough today" like the girls who use this song as ammunition for their sympathy-parties will. One who has been through it and has come out of it scarred, and not just changed their Facebook relationship status, removed all the "ily"s out of their MSN name and moved on with their life looking for the next bit of meat to fuck.

And you might say "it isn't Eminem's fault if those people like his song" to which i say fuck that and fuck you if you believe it. The song was made specifically to appeal to people like that, and that's something i hoped someone like Eminem would never have to stoop to.

As for the "window pain" line, that was just fucking bad.

tl;dr, Love The Way You Lie sucks giant balls

[Emadyville]

^^^I don't understand the "forced Rihanna on it to sell"....because isn't it possible that he likes her music and wanted her on a song?


I mean I understand why people would think that, and yes I agree it could be true, but it's like everyone just assumes this is the case

[Kez]

^^^I don't understand the "forced Rihanna on it to sell"....because isn't it possible that he likes her music and wanted her on a song?

cmon man, even if he does it's blatantly obvious that she's on it because she sells.

I agree that it could be a factor, because he had Pink on Recovery and she's not all that big these days, but even if he did like her shit i still think the label most probably pushed him to put her on it because there's enough men who will stare at her tits in the video for it to make big bucks, and idiotic young girls who will try and copy her thinking that their terrible, pseudo-American accent, voice-wavering shitty kareoke is "talent".

[Kez]

:facepalm2 Yes, because if a song is about LOVE, that automatically makes it bad.

Right that's why i referenced Love You More as a good song.

But I suppose tying girls up and burning them to death and punching them in the face is a "manufactured", poppy, watered-down, radio-friendly topic?

It is when you only allude to it, dress it up as "romantic" and shove Rihanna on the hook.

It's easy as fuck? Prove it. Write something as good as

You lost me there; i don't follow the school of thought that you have to do something better than what you're talking about to be able to criticise it. That's like saying if i want to say a film is shit i have to go film my own 90 minute action-thriller, launch it and earn decent box office ratings before i say "yo ur film is shit"

Of course, if you have no understanding of multi-syllabic rhyming and conceptual lyricism, you'll think it's easy as cake. But I implore you... go ahead.

Complexity does not make a good song automatically. As is the case here.

[Kez]

You serious, dude? You think he just shoved Rihanna on the hook to sell? Couldn't have anything to do with the fact she is someone who has gone through what Eminem is talking about (as well as Eminem).

I would agree with you if it wasn't for the fact that Rihanna is a vain bitch who doesn't give a shit what she sings about as long as it sells well and she has another excuse to expose her body to the world via the music channels. Maybe the backstory of the song was a little afterthought in her vacuous mind at one point, but rest assured that she'd probably be on a song with him even if it wasn't this concept.

No, if you want to say a film is shit, I wouldn't bother debating your opinion (it's an opinion).

If you want to say that film is EASY to write, I'd challenge you to write something of the same calibre (if it's so easy). The difficulty of writing something is measurable (variables such as time taken, the mental effort of writing it). How "shit" a film is, is not objectively measurable.

lmao well i am sorry but i'm not going to write a love song just to be able to have my opinion verified.

[katha]

I would agree with you if it wasn't for the fact that Rihanna is a vain bitch who doesn't give a shit what she sings about as long as it sells well and she has another excuse to expose her body to the world via the music channels. Maybe the backstory of the song was a little afterthought in her vacuous mind at one point, but rest assured that she'd probably be on a song with him even if it wasn't this concept.

I agree that Rihanna is controlled by her label and mostly makes vacuous disco songs written by other people to make the most amount of money. Don't know her personally and can't judge on that, but yeah, she has seemingly little input into "her" music generally.

I will say though that her last album, Rated R, was IMO a pretty major deviation from that MO. LIstened to it after LTWYL came out. She has writing credits on most of the songs (I know, probably contributed a few lines of lyrics here and there, picked out the songs etc., but still...) and it's very dark for a pop album, several songs alluding to the Chris Brown situation. It didn't do as well as expected. That's why her label is rushing another single and album so everybody can forget that era ever existed.

One song on that album has the lyrics "I just wanna set you on fire/So I won't have to burn alone", it stays inside the metaphor and only alludes to real life events, but the gist of it is pretty much about a destructive and addictive relationship you can't get out of. I think she does (did?) actually care what she was singing for a while there and was standing up to her label. Weren't there rumours that they didn't want her on LTWYL? Now they apparently scared her straight and she's back to making forgettable generic dreck.

But even if she only did the collabo for the money, doesn't change the quality of the song. And IMO it's brilliant. It's obvious to me how much care and thought he put into the concept and the writing. Yes, it's a love song. A love song about two highly damaged, delusional and screwed-up people. A love song that ends with threatened murder/murder-suicide. I think that it uses the formula of your typical love song and strips it of all its comforting romantic clichés. Burning passion becomes literally deadly. The catchy chorus becomes a creepy repetition of the cycle of abuse. All the promises of love and pleas for forgiveness are exposed as lies in the next breath.

Yes, many teenage girls probably don't pick up on that. But loads of people in general don't pick up on what is actually going on in Eminem songs. And Eminem doesn't bother to explain himself anymore, would probably drive him crazy to try to adress all the BS that's read into his songs.

[ujenetot]

^^^I don't understand the "forced Rihanna on it to sell"....because isn't it possible that he likes her music and wanted her on a song?

I'll pee on Rihanna see man I do what I wanna

[Tornado]

Mikey and Kezzler summed everything up already

[MikeNUFC]

Kez, are you joking?

You can't seriously say that LTYWYL is lazy writing without backing it up with anything except for "Love songs are always lazy".

How is it lazy writing? It's world class writing.