Is 'Renegade' a hip-hop classic?

[Slim's Shady]

possibly the best rap song of all time...

[Elision]

Of course

Jesus, Em's perfomance on that track is now used as a slang term for when somebody gets outshined by another rapper

Hah, never heard that before. Can you give me an example? (not trying to disagree with you, just interested )

[MikeNUFC]

The version with Jay-Z, no.
The version with Royce, yes.
I'm jus' sayin'.

Are people still tryna kid themselves that Royce's version is better? P-lease - Jay's verses shit over Royces a million times over.

"Hey look! I like Royce's verses more than Jay's! Hey check me out! I like the more underground artist than the really mainstream one! Guys, LOOK! I'm acting knowledgable about rap music, check it, yo!"

On topic - THE beat rap collaboration ever. Four genius verses, Em is just on another level, though.

[MikeNUFC]

"Hey look! I like Royce's verses more than Jay's! Hey check me out! I like the more underground artist than the really mainstream one! Guys, LOOK! I'm acting knowledgable about rap music, check it, yo!"

Hahaha Couldnt agree more. Jay's verse has some brilliant lines and wit. But sadly as good as Jay is he has the "love to hate" Image.

Yeah, I've never known an artist that, to me, is so overrated by some and so underrated by others.

He's EASILY one of the best mainstream rappers ever, based on his prime alone. Easily. He had such clever lyricism - but probably went over a lot of people's heads. Blueprint is such an incredible album - one of the cleverest hip hop records ever made.

I hate how he's got so popular in the UK now that he's crap though. Does my head in.

[MikeNUFC]

^Where's your famous 1000 post shout-out that you warned us all about then?

[KillahBee]

Of course

Jesus, Em's perfomance on that track is now used as a slang term for when somebody gets outshined by another rapper

Hah, never heard that before. Can you give me an example? (not trying to disagree with you, just interested )

Well, I was reading an interview with Twista a few days back, and the interviewer said to Twista about the track "The Heat"; "you "Renegaded" Raekwon on that joint!"

I've seen it been used a few other forums too, kinda like how Ether became a slang term after the Jay-Nas beef

[Epidemik]

im not hatin on Jay but i like the version with Royce better. just thought his delivery and flow was better.. as far as lyrical content maybe not.. but i just prefer the original version.

[Slim's Shady]

"Hey look! I like Royce's verses more than Jay's! Hey check me out! I like the more underground artist than the really mainstream one! Guys, LOOK! I'm acting knowledgable about rap music, check it, yo!"

Hahaha Couldnt agree more. Jay's verse has some brilliant lines and wit. But sadly as good as Jay is he has the "love to hate" Image.

Yeah, I've never known an artist that, to me, is so overrated by some and so underrated by others.

He's EASILY one of the best mainstream rappers ever, based on his prime alone. Easily. He had such clever lyricism - but probably went over a lot of people's heads. Blueprint is such an incredible album - one of the cleverest hip hop records ever made.

I hate how he's got so popular in the UK now that he's crap though. Does my head in.

couldn't agree more. personally i think Jay gets the "hate" because he is sometimes way overrated by the mainstream, MTV etc...which makes people angry and leading to hate and underappreciate Jay-Z.

[Mikey1990]

it probably the best collab ever in hip hop