eminems like a world class footballer at the min in bad form

[nathan123]

That Top TES?

TES WAS HIS BEST ALBUM HE HAS EVER MADE

what tops TES ? i never said it did, i said maybe future albums could lol

[classthe_king]

In Terms of rapping ability since his comeback this is where he's at

Pre-Relapse: 6
Relapse: 7
Post Relapse: 8
Forever and The Warning and DTW: 9
Airplanes, Despicable and Recovery: 4
Post Recovery Features: 2

[NicoleEM]

Since he came back,i always saw his albums as a way to re-find his style.I like them but there's something missing.So i'm waiting for him to chill out,stop with the apologizes,stop giving a fuck about what people think of him,stop "watching" what's "hot" now and start doing his own thing,getting back to his confort zone and just making music with friends for fun ,not cause some people say it's hot to collab with X or Y.Just my 2 cents

[nathan123]

In Terms of rapping ability since his comeback this is where he's at

Pre-Relapse: 6
Relapse: 7
Post Relapse: 8
Forever and The Warning and DTW: 9
Airplanes, Despicable and Recovery: 4
Post Recovery Features: 2

what was post relapse ?

recoverys ryhming wasnt GREAT but was better than a 4, encore was a 4 ffs

[EminemBase]

I'd hardly say he's in 'bad form' just because he didn't make a classic lmao.

Majority of Recovery is FAR from 'bad form'.

"Cold Wind Blows", "Going Through Changes", "Seduction", "25 to Life", "So Bad", "Almost Famous" - Those songs and others are fantastic.

Yes he's not topping what he's done, but they're a whole lot better than bad.

If you're referring to the Nicki Minaj feature and "Celebrity" verse, I mean... This is the thing, with Eminem people expect every single thing he does to be mind-blowing genius OR it = crap lmao.

He's done a few bad features, who gives a shit, they're features. He's clearly trying to fit-in and botching it slightly. But technically speaking he's focused on rhyming and flowing again and he's not bad at it just because he's coming out with some shitty punchlines.

Lmao, he does a batch of great material on Recovery and that just gets totally forgotten for two feature verses? Why do they suddenly outweigh all of that haha. People praise Jay as still having it or 'killing a track' if he says 1 or 2 good lines out of 50. Then say Em has lost it if he spits 1 or 2 bad lines out of 50 lmao.

His solo material is all that matters.

no, recovery was great !

yes i was talking about the fetaures, and no recovery is definitley not forgotten, well not by me i still listen to it. I just feel with eminem - were not expecting miracles or great tracks all the time; i just feel that he should be building on recovery, and its success with better tracks/verses.

He is going downhill, not heading back to his best and when you mix all those together, it doesnt bode well for future projects, you get what i mean ?

Yes I do but aside from some bad lines in "Celeberity" I really wouldn't say he's going downhill again already. He's still rapping well. Plus I only really care about solo stuff.

He's adding his 2 cents to these songs he's hopping on rather than creating them, himself, for an album. He's trying to fit to their theme / style. I think he's using them almost like training-grounds, I think he's still figuring out new sounds and having fun with it.

Which is probably why we're seeing so many features, he's trying to perfect a sound, so in essence maybe he is trying to build on Recovery. Not always succeeding but the important thing is that he's still focused on improving and the technical aspect. Which is exciting.

AND, I only consider a few lines he's said to be downhill anyway. As there was also some lines / attitude in the Minaj track that did show promise of the old wit.

But to be honest, I think he's confused / been confused about where to go next since TES. He progressed / put a cap in the psycho shit so fast with the first two, then ultimately hit a roof with TES. There's so many directions he could go of course but he's now obsessed with being what he was.

Also, signs that he's confused... I mean, on Jon Ross he said (and kept saying around then) that Relapse had a lot of "jokes" and "one-liners" lmao and that Recovery is like a different direction. When in reality, it's the fucking reverse. Relapse was vivid, descriptive writing, an attempt at character-rap again in essence.

He thinks 'funny' is chopping people up and eating dead babies lmao. It was sensationalism for its own sake. Brilliantly done though.

Where as aside from the handful of 'emotional' tracks on Recovery, THAT is the album with the boat-load of one-liners. I mean... Cold Wind Blows, On Fire, Won't Back Down, WTP, it's one-liners galore. He's got the fucking descriptions mixed up lmao.

But ultimately I don't think that the way forward now is to constantly try to be what he was. Constantly try to re-vive or keep-up the psycho rebellion for its own sake. I think Recovery showed some genuine signs of progression and where he should go next...

I think "Cinderella Man", "Almost Famous" and "25 to Life" are those main highlights. They have a new edge to them, there's a stronger assurance in his writing, it's still got that badass spark but it's somehow more mature and... "fuller".

I think the way forward is to continue THAT line of writing and try and think of mind-blowing concepts and ideas. What he's lacking now is ideas. It's like... Yes Em we know you can rhyme, we know you can flow... where's the fucking art now please. "25 to Life" is a great concept and that line of writing adds a real power to concepts like that.

He's got a real fucking gift and is wasting it trying to be a foul-mouthed rapper for the sake of it again. MMLP was genius because it was a reaction, it was a piece of art that literally shone back at a pushback, it was in the moment. He needs to forget everything he's done and now just try marvel with concepts IMO.

[ShadyVsEminem]

Wouldnt he just be a worldclass rapper going through bad form?whats football got to do with it


I dont see much wrong with LTWYL 2(actually i see a lot right with it),Romans revenge verses were not very good verses but the beat sucked terribly anyway.Then there is Celebrity which was mediocre but it wasnt released either way,he went with Where im at instead so thats the song to be criticizing when its out

[stella222]

This is a debate that can never end because Eminem has been famous from 12 years. Some of his fans were babies when his first fans were teenagers. There always will be a conflict of opinions.

What is a classic album? Eminem's youngest fans were in kindergarten when his so called classics dropped. Recovery is the reason they became his fans, not TES or MMLP. They didn't experience the late 90's/ early 00's. The references on these records are not actual anymore. His youngest fans just can't get it the way his older fans do because they lack the experience.

Do you think his youngest fans think he’s in a bad form? I doubt it. Music is subjective and the fact he can appeal to the new people proves he’s actually in a good form. I think Recovery will remain idealized in their minds a bit, just like it happened with his previous albums that attracted the new fans. When TES dropped I remember it was hated by his oldest fans. The CD received some pretty bad reviews too. Nowadays it’s a classic album for the majority of his fans. Why? Because regardless the hate, he gained tons of new fans with TES and they see the CD as his best album.

[Emshady2]

This is a debate that can never end because Eminem has been famous from 12 years. Some of his fans were babies when his first fans were teenagers. There always will be a conflict of opinions.

What is a classic album? Eminem's youngest fans were in kindergarten when his so called classics dropped. Recovery is the reason they became his fans, not TES or MMLP. They didn't experience the late 90's/ early 00's. The references on these records are not actual anymore. His youngest fans just can't get it the way his older fans do because they lack the experience.

Do you think his youngest fans think he’s in a bad form? I doubt it. Music is subjective and the fact he can appeal to the new people proves he’s actually in a good form. I think Recovery will remain idealized in their minds a bit, just like it happened with his previous albums that attracted the new fans. When TES dropped I remember it was hated by his oldest fans. The CD received some pretty bad reviews too. Nowadays it’s a classic album for the majority of his fans. Why? Because regardless the hate, he gained tons of new fans with TES and they see the CD as his best album.

The Eminem Show Got very good reviews.

[stella222]

^and lots of bad reviews too that were comparing the songs to SSLP and MMLP.

like this one http://www.salon.com/entertainment/musi ... dex.html?x

[classthe_king]

In Terms of rapping ability since his comeback this is where he's at

Pre-Relapse: 6
Relapse: 7
Post Relapse: 8
Forever and The Warning and DTW: 9
Airplanes, Despicable and Recovery: 4
Post Recovery Features: 2

How is Relapse a 7 for rapping ability?

Because his rapping is very good

[EminemBase]

^and lots of bad reviews too that were comparing the songs to SSLP and MMLP.

like this one http://www.salon.com/entertainment/musi ... dex.html?x

Yes but THAT is quite clearly another moronic reviewer who did not get what Eminem was doing, it's another person who was genuinely offended by what he was doing and was over-compensating and taking it personally.

That's bad criticism. There's a lack of true objective reasoning or expansion, people like that are the reason critics are now laughed at. Believe it or not, critics (hundreds of years ago) used to be VERY respected, intellectually. They're now laughing stocks, ever since they started to believe their own hype and think they were worth listening to more than the artists they were fucking reviewing.

You can see from the way that critic mentions a few times, in emphasized form about his 'misogyny' and 'homophobia' that, that is what is pissing him off.

Those fucking morons did not get Eminem then and they (COUGH, SLANT, COUGH PERIZ HILTON) do not get him now. They give it away so easily though. Which is hilarious, they're so smug and self-righteous and realize none of the irony of how much they expose themselves as lacking in true comprehension of the themes.

I mean, calling his music "kiddie-pop" lmfao. It's so fucking personal, it's got such an undertone of annoyance, it's so obviously bias and therefore not good or proper analysis.

They can cram as many awkward adjectives into a descriptive sentence as they want, they're still too fucking retarded to understand what The Marshall Mathers LP was all about, 10 years ago. They still do not understand him as an artist, his aims, nothing. So 'those' criticisms, the ones based in personal hate of Eminem, due to thinking he's a homophone, do not count.

Difference is - The Eminem Show got near Universal acclaim. Yes there were some bad reviews, but how often do you see an album with NO bad reviews? You're doing something wrong if everybody loves what you do. Point is, TES was structured, themed and fully-realized. The ones who liked it LOVED IT.

Where as with Recovery, it's been met with a fuzzy mix again. Some think it's 'good' some think it's 'okay' and some 'bad', but nobody really thinks it's outstanding and nobody really thinks it's the worst album on earth. It's a good album. The Eminem Show is something else.

PS. lmfao! at the irony in this line in that guys review...
It's just the most obvious example of sheer desperation on an album that pretty much reeks of it.

No Jim DeRogatis what potently reeks of desperation is that fucking 'review'.

Do some research on that guy too. I'd put good money on him being gay. The majority of those critics who write carbon copies of each other's opinions, also all seem to listen to each other and mostly be gay. They've 'heard' Eminem is a homophone and that's their mind made up. And they hear these words being said and for them that confirms it.

Wouldn't be so bad if they didn't make it so obvious that it was personal. If they had more than a handful of high-functioning brain-cells between them, maybe they could come together to write something worthy of wiping my fucking ass with.

As it is, what they write doesn't even deserve a second glance.

They're so ignorant, I literally want to stab them in the face.

[BILI]

im still waiting on a classic album, since tes

I`m waiting for it since the MMLP,and the closest I got is this year.

[Atone]

it's called soccer, call it Soccer, NFL is football

[xRas]

Tis Football bruv

[Atone]

lol no, It's soccer, hence the reason they call it a "soccer ball" and hence the reason NFL is called the "National FOOTBALL League"