Renegade Question

[Emadyville]

packed with multi's, lyrics are meaningful and displays an awareness to the impact of his music. he flows perfectly.

his first verse, when he rhymes like through 16 words with multis ...parents, embarrassed, marriage and just makes everything rhyme with that flow, and the awareness of the impact of his music like was said is why this is so amazing

[Divine Clarity]

A multi is a rhyme that consists of rhyming more than one syllable like dangerous/paging us/gage and bust. Right now, I just rhymed 3 syllables. This is what Eminem did throughout Renegade more or less.

ahh perfect. Thanks for clearin it up. Its pretty interesting how good he was/is...

[Devil'sAdvocate]

HE KILLED IT

[DarkSideOfEm]

He always said that Royce always made him step his game up. That's probably one the main reasons his verses surpassed Jay's.

so ur sayin' that Royce and Jay are prolly equal?? like this " = "

[asid12345678]

Classic Eminem, the verse concentrates on assonant rhyme; the end rhymes are unimpressive, but what you hear when he raps is the first and third syllables of each of ludicrous, lucrative, youth in hys, views and his, you to just…the lines are peppered with similar iterations of the “you” sound, creating a bomb ass flow (rude/spew/beautiful/disputed)

Each rapper’s verses reveal their different approaches towards rap and, in my opinion, Eminem’s verses (despite their brilliance) implicitly reveal his deficiencies as a rapper

Jay’s flow isn’t as great, but a few of his lines show his ability to use metaphor and double-meaning to plumb the depths of language in a way Eminem cannot match. When Jay describes standing on the corner selling drugs as having a “pocket full of hope” or refers to his chosen path in life as going “straight” at the “fork in the road”, he illustrates the notion that rap is about more than rhyming; Jay’s voice doesn’t boom quite as Eminem’s does on this track, but his poetry is more intelligent.

Then again, Eminem sells more albums…

[Ethos]

He always said that Royce always made him step his game up. That's probably one the main reasons his verses surpassed Jay's.

so ur sayin' that Royce and Jay are prolly equal?? like this " = "

No. I was saying that when he first recorded his verses he was writing against Royce. Thus he made sure to bring his A game. But after the fallout, I assume Em sent the mastered track w/o Royce's Verses to Jay and he hopped on it. That would explain why both em verses remain pretty much unchanged in exception of one line. "he's Royce, he's the king of Detroit" with "He's Jigga joint Jigga-chk-Jigga". So in essence Em didn't go back and challenge Jay lyrically but kept what he had since he already brought his A game on it

Edit: Here check it out with Royce to see what Em was going against at first.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BAsfB8d88fE

[momentisgolden]

Just a link i used to understand what multies are, hope its legit...

http://www.b-boys.com/forums/showthread.php?t=97

[Rash J]

Classic Eminem, the verse concentrates on assonant rhyme; the end rhymes are unimpressive, but what you hear when he raps is the first and third syllables of each of ludicrous, lucrative, youth in hys, views and his, you to just…the lines are peppered with similar iterations of the “you” sound, creating a bomb ass flow (rude/spew/beautiful/disputed)

Each rapper’s verses reveal their different approaches towards rap and, in my opinion, Eminem’s verses (despite their brilliance) implicitly reveal his deficiencies as a rapper

Jay’s flow isn’t as great, but a few of his lines show his ability to use metaphor and double-meaning to plumb the depths of language in a way Eminem cannot match. When Jay describes standing on the corner selling drugs as having a “pocket full of hope” or refers to his chosen path in life as going “straight” at the “fork in the road”, he illustrates the notion that rap is about more than rhyming; Jay’s voice doesn’t boom quite as Eminem’s does on this track, but his poetry is more intelligent.

Then again, Eminem sells more albums…

This looks very familiar...

[asid12345678]

Classic Eminem, the verse concentrates on assonant rhyme; the end rhymes are unimpressive, but what you hear when he raps is the first and third syllables of each of ludicrous, lucrative, youth in hys, views and his, you to just…the lines are peppered with similar iterations of the “you” sound, creating a bomb ass flow (rude/spew/beautiful/disputed)

He's actually rhyming five syllables at once. The end rhymes ARE impressive.

Shoe fits I'll wear it/Truth grin and bear it/Ludicrous lyrics/Who could inherit/Youth in hysterics/Music to steer it/Views and his merits/Huge interference/You shouldn't hear it/Food for the spirit/You to just cherish/Viewed in Americ/You didn't experim/who's in the mirror/you get embarrassed/stupid as parents/do good at marriage/do to get here I/glued to the stere...

It's an amazing verse and he does much more than just assonate the "you" sound.

Each rapper’s verses reveal their different approaches towards rap and, in my opinion, Eminem’s verses (despite their brilliance) implicitly reveal his deficiencies as a rapper

How?

Jay’s flow isn’t as great, but a few of his lines show his ability to use metaphor and double-meaning to plumb the depths of language in a way Eminem cannot match. When Jay describes standing on the corner selling drugs as having a “pocket full of hope” or refers to his chosen path in life as going “straight” at the “fork in the road”, he illustrates the notion that rap is about more than rhyming;

You sound like you're writing an English essay. Eminem uses "metaphor" as well. "If the shoe fits, I'll wear it" is a metaphor. "Food for the spirit" is a metaphor. What are you trying to say?

He illustrates the notion that rap is about more than rhyming? As does Eminem. Eminem is actually rapping about something as well, not just rhyming well.

Em is usually incapable of employing double meaning: everything he’s ever said has meant exactly what it seemed to mean. He is the kind of rapper a mirthless analytical philosopher would have no problem appreciating. Jay-Z, on the other hand, is at his best when his lines require unpacking.

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Cause if I ever stuck it to any singer in showbiz
It'd be Jennifer Lopez, and Puffy you know this!
I'm sorry Puff, but I don't give a fuck if this chick was my own mother
I still fuck her with no rubber and cum inside her
And have a son and a new brother at the same time
And just swear that it ain't mine!

^^^^ CLASSIC LINES

As great as the passage is, other than mentioning that at the time Puff Daddy was dating J-Lo, there’s not much to add…“Well…he wants to have sex with Jennifer Lopez, you see, and he doesn’t want to use a condom…”No duh!

[asid12345678]

Em is usually incapable of employing double meaning: everything he’s ever said has meant exactly what it seemed to mean.

He is usually incapable of using double meaning (which means NOT always)? Then you say "EVERYTHING" he's ever said is literal (which means always). You don't make any sense. Sorry.

He IS capable of using double-meaning/extended metaphors and has used them before: Space Bound, 25 to Life, Seduction. These are all songs with double meanings.

The song "Underground" is metaphorical: being literally under the ground ("Dre, dig me up"), and being underground in a musical sense (non-mainstream).

"Shoot up the playground and tell the kids to 'stay in school'" is a double meaning.

These are all off the top of the head. There are plenty of other examples.

He is the kind of rapper a mirthless analytical philosopher would have no problem appreciating. Jay-Z, on the other hand, is at his best when his lines require unpacking.

Pseudo-intellectual spotted.

What does "mirthless" have to do with anything? When were we discussing the mirth/humor of these rappers?

So a philosopher with no sense of humor would have no problem appreciating Eminem's music? And that's somehow a criticism? Are you trying to say Jay-Z is funnier than Eminem?

What the fuck are you even saying? Do you read what you type?

Cause if I ever stuck it to any singer in showbiz
It'd be Jennifer Lopez, and Puffy you know this!
I'm sorry Puff, but I don't give a fuck if this chick was my own mother
I still fuck her with no rubber and cum inside her
And have a son and a new brother at the same time
And just swear that it ain't mine!

^^^^ CLASSIC LINES

As great as the passage is, other than mentioning that at the time Puff Daddy was dating J-Lo, there’s not much to add…“Well…he wants to have sex with Jennifer Lopez, you see, and he doesn’t want to use a condom…”No duh!

You're just completely fucking weird. You chose I'M BACK for Christ's sake. It's MEANT to be literal.

What, Jay-Z has never had lyrics of that nature (non-metaphorical)? Bullshit.

What a load of shit.

[Alaine]

lol Amadeo is too epic

[22muse]

Classic Eminem, the verse concentrates on assonant rhyme; the end rhymes are unimpressive, but what you hear when he raps is the first and third syllables of each of ludicrous, lucrative, youth in hys, views and his, you to just…the lines are peppered with similar iterations of the “you” sound, creating a bomb ass flow (rude/spew/beautiful/disputed)

Each rapper’s verses reveal their different approaches towards rap and, in my opinion, Eminem’s verses (despite their brilliance) implicitly reveal his deficiencies as a rapper

Jay’s flow isn’t as great, but a few of his lines show his ability to use metaphor and double-meaning to plumb the depths of language in a way Eminem cannot match. When Jay describes standing on the corner selling drugs as having a “pocket full of hope” or refers to his chosen path in life as going “straight” at the “fork in the road”, he illustrates the notion that rap is about more than rhyming; Jay’s voice doesn’t boom quite as Eminem’s does on this track, but his poetry is more intelligent.

Then again, Eminem sells more albums…

you got that from rapgenius.com where they were comparing the renegade verses.
http://rapgenius.com/posts/Jay-z-eminem ... illed-whom

[momentisgolden]

^ the first reply- EPIC!

[Devil'sAdvocate]

@@ ACID

u lost bitch

[xxTrigger1989xx]

LOL. So I was owning Rap Genius, not the clown that was just plagiarizing them.

Doesn't matter. Rap Genius is a terrible website written by a bunch of idiots.

Which is kinda ironic, given their name and all...