Eminem is more vulnerable to attack now than he ever was

[mdemaz]

They say that Rap minus the lies equals Hip-Hop...

[Master Chief]

Yes, I agree with the OP. And he is too weak to win a beef with a real mc. He sold-out. We don't have a reason to be his fans anymore. But I don't know why I'm still here. I suppose you don't too.

I second this.

[EminemBase]

How The Fuck Can He Sue Them When He's In The Fucking Video himself?

Because they used his song without permission:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/3519153.stm

I think maybe there's two ads or something I don't know. Because that one where he's performing it's for Curtain Call anyway. Which is again different.

A lot different actually. Because Eminem is only 'technically' endorsing them by association, he's in the ad but it's more like a feature and it's for his music. And, for technology / an item that plays music, which is a lot different than randomly whoring his name out to an ice tea brand.

[mdemaz]

Yes, I agree with the OP. And he is too weak to win a beef with a real mc. He sold-out. We don't have a reason to be his fans anymore. But I don't know why I'm still here. I suppose you don't too.

I second this.

I don't even know what's going on, but I'll third this.

[EminemBase]

EminemBase, you're going way OTT with the "selling out" ice-tea ad.

I know what you're going to say, I've read your earlier posts on the subject, but come on! You argue that "attaching your name to a product and endorsing it when it has nothing to do with your art" is selling out right? Name me a music artist (that has been successful) who HASN'T endorsed a product once in their lifetime, at some stage....you won't find many.

MICHAEL JACKSON endorsed Pepsi, and did a commercial for them.

ELVIS PRESLEY endorsed some donuts, and did a commercial for them.

Have their reputations been tarnished by those ads? Of course not, to the masses of people in the world, they are music legends.

Stop getting so stressed, it really isn't a big deal.

One Mic - If endorsing random (unrelated, sole aim is profit and using name as sole source of profit for its own sake) products for money is not selling-out, what is. I understand it's not compromising his art, he's not sold-out in his MUSIC. But he's a lyricist - endorsing ice tea for a pay day is selling-out. In a personal respect.

Because the name Eminem is in itself a brand. So... he's lowering his standards and cheapening that brand by associating it with something, for money...

In respects to other artists - At what point, ever have you seen me say other artists do not do it? That's a moot point. Of course other artists do it, and yes it's still selling-out. That actually only highlights my point better. You expect it of other artists - it's not a shock to me if 50 Cent or Jay-Z endorse something, I expect it of them. They're unashamed money whores, I don't consider them true artists in the same vein or of the same integrity. And, them doing it doesn't make him doing it any better or 'not selling-out'. If Eminem stabbed somebody would you say "yeah but... tons of people stab people, so how is Eminem stabbing somebody actually a stabbing?".

Also, what's that got to do with EMINEM? My argument isn't... "oh, Eminem is doing this and it's selling-out, nobody else does it". My argument is just that - it is selling-out. And that Eminem has never done this, and it's random, pointless and strange to do it at this point.

And of course it won't tarnish theirs or his reputation, if their actual music stays good. It'll certainly cheapen it the more they do it, and the broader the endorsements. But again, that's besides the point - You clearly haven't read all my posts or you would of seen me say quite a few times that obviously two ads are not going to destroy Eminem's reputation. OF COURSE not, that's obvious and at no point did I say they would.

As for me being "upset" - I'm not upset. People on here seem to think that if you type more than a single paragraph and don't use constant coffee sipping smileys and 'U Mad' pics that you're "upset". I couldn't give a flying fuck about it, I forget it as soon as I type the response. I'm just arguing it on a logical basis, I have no emotional stake in it.

So stop taking my arguing / obsession with TRUTH and logic as emotional bitching at Eminem lmao. The fact it's Em has now become a trivial aspect of the argument, I'm just saying it IS selling-out. That's all I'm saying. I'm beyond offering my opinion or initial anger at the move, other than for the purpose of explaining my reasoning better.

[SlimKhalifaDemz]

I hope someone disses Em, and Em responds, but it's not gonna happen. Unless someone huge disses Em, there's no chance in it happening.

"But I swear you try to diss me I'll slaughter you
I put that on everything, like everyone does with Auto-Tune"

Em will most certainly attack someone who disses him he just aint startin anything.. Just look at Mariah Carey lol he responded to that bullshit.. with a pretty dope track too.

[mangomunky]

@EminemBase I completely understand where you're coming from with your argument. The thing is, many people here, me included, don't really mind if he "sold out" by doing commercials which are funny to watch, as long as he does not sell out musically. Em is a mainstream artist after all, so him getting endorsements from companies on such rare occasions really is no serious matter. At least it isn't worth the time you spent on typing up an essay-length rant every time this subject's brought up.

[EminemBase]

^ I didn't say you cared. Like I've said in every response and will say again to you - I'm simply arguing the logic of the matter. I'm not asking you to care, I don't care myself. People seem to think you care deeply and emotionally just for arguing the point...

I just can't stand people sugoarcating stuff. I'm passed it, it's gone, I couldn't care less - But, just call it what it is. That's all.

It's like obese people that say it's this or that, or lack of this, or yada yada: NO, it's because you shove copious amounts of cake and pie down your gullet. Which again, is fine, do / think what you like, just be honest. And truthful. I just like truth.

[shadyboymez]

^^^^
lmao you rock EminemBase. keep writin your essay's because you definitely know what you're talking about.

[VenomBlackViper]

It's like obese people that say it's this or that, or lack of this, or yada yada: NO, it's because you shove copious amounts of cake and pie down your gullet. Which again, is fine, do / think what you like, just be honest. And truthful. I just like truth.

That is sig material shit right there.

[M+M]

Even if he is open to insults now, it doesn't change the fact that he would be able to roast anyone if he tried.

The Warning was quality and that was only like 2 years ago.

[Arrinef]

Even if he is open to insults now, it doesn't change the fact that he would be able to roast anyone if he tried.

The Warning was quality and that was only like 2 years ago.

Still i think its a goal in itself to defeat em, it would be the defeat for the records.
Just as it would also mean complete humiliation for those who fail too, thats why no one goes for em

[DanWS]

Best thread I've seen here in a while, props to the OP. Like someone else before me said, The Warning was the last really cool thing he did where he seemed to have that fire in his belly again. Em has without doubt been uninspired lately; I'd mark his collab with Nicki on "Roman's Revenge" as his worst featre of all time. Some of the lines he uses in it are facepalm worthy. I'm sick of the shouting and shitty punchlines. Yes sometimes it worked; it worked on Recovery because it was fresh and new, and songs like Almost Famous and Cold Wind Blows really blended well with that style. But he needs a new direction now. To be honest, as I've already said before, I really wouldn't mind if he stepped back from the limelight for a while and came back with new material in 2012. I know we all wanna hear new Em stuff all the time but it's getting to the point where I'm barely excited at the prospect of hearing a new song or seeing a new performance right now. The few months before Recovery and Relapse dropped I was excited as fuck and really couldn't wait, but now whenever a new Em joint drops there's hardly any anticipation. The constant leaks have definitely done more harm than good. I'd say out of all the new songs we weren't supposed to hear (note INAD isn't included in this as we would've got to hear it anyway) that Cocaine and Echo are the only ones that are genuinelly good tracks. I'd honestly think it would be a good thing if he wasn't on anything in 2011 but say, a track on the Slaughterhouse album and 1 more track on Detox. He needs time to step back and develop new content and head in a different direction, and we need time off from him so we can start appreciating him again and actually be pumped when something new drops.

[zebreniuc]

Hey people, Eminem has been already dissed by Canibus on that collaboration with D12.
If he was able he would have dissed back.
That's my opinion, he isn't a battle rapper anymore
And most of his punchlines prove it

[Rash J]

Yup if someone were to diss him now, they'd have quite a bit to use. But idk if that's gonna happen.
Great thread btw