Recovery Theory

[Master Chief]

I completely disagree with saying Relapse sounds like Eminem. The simple fact that the accent is present makes it less "Eminem".

And flows has nothing to do with it. If they're weak to you, cool. But, Eminem always changes his flows anyways so, no.

Okay X'ed Up/ChronicJon/2sday.

Of coure flows have something to do with it. It's not about changing the flows (that's fine), it's about what the new ones are like. And for the most part they are pretty poor on Recovery, you can barely pick up his rhymes because his flow is scattered all over the place. It's the lazy writing that's the problem directly linked to the flows.



Also, Relapse is far more 'mature' (this is used so fucking much on this board) than Recovery. He was a more mature lyricist on Relapse, regardless of what you think of the content.

This section is getting to a stage where you cannot be negative about EMinem - it's fucking bullshit. The people who criticise Eminem, for the most part, are usually very constructive with their points, whether negative or positivie. The people who masterbate over every new Eminem release are the ones who usually hardly ever back up their points and go "stopppp criticizing eminemz, if you isnt a fan den get of the board!!1" (of course that's not everyone, there are a few who aren't like that)

How the fuck do flows make it more or less of an Eminem album. I know what you're saying but that DOES NOT make it less of an Eminem album. Does Relapse have better flows? Yeah. But, does not make it more of an Eminem album, NO.

[classthe_king]

Why does he need all these new teeny boppers as fans? Wouldn't he rather appeal to hip-hop fans with a good album?

Recovery didn't gain him only "teeny boppers" fans, it gained him the fans that had previously lost faith in him.

Don't tell me to listen to Recovery lmao, that album is bullshit and all those songs suck. Just because this forum and all the 15 year old girls of America like it and bought it doesn't mean its good. I've been going to a lot of other Hip-Hop forums recently and NONE of them like Eminem or Recovery now. It's just this site cause you guys are all blind stans

The songs that I mentioned are definitely don't suck, you're just trying to sound cool.

but Dr3 told me post here

Woah, what?

And it lost him just as many fans lol. I'm not trying to sound cool wtf? lol. Why would I try to sound cool to a bunch of people on the internet?

oh and

Great thread, really good points.

I would like to see the people that bashed him for Recovery respond to this, I think it would start a nice debate.

[Scrubz]

I completely disagree with saying Relapse sounds like Eminem. The simple fact that the accent is present makes it less "Eminem".

And flows has nothing to do with it. If they're weak to you, cool. But, Eminem always changes his flows anyways so, no.

Okay X'ed Up/ChronicJon/2sday.

Of coure flows have something to do with it. It's not about changing the flows (that's fine), it's about what the new ones are like. And for the most part they are pretty poor on Recovery, you can barely pick up his rhymes because his flow is scattered all over the place. It's the lazy writing that's the problem directly linked to the flows.



Also, Relapse is far more 'mature' (this is used so fucking much on this board) than Recovery. He was a more mature lyricist on Relapse, regardless of what you think of the content.

This section is getting to a stage where you cannot be negative about EMinem - it's fucking bullshit. The people who criticise Eminem, for the most part, are usually very constructive with their points, whether negative or positivie. The people who masterbate over every new Eminem release are the ones who usually hardly ever back up their points and go "stopppp criticizing eminemz, if you isnt a fan den get of the board!!1" (of course that's not everyone, there are a few who aren't like that)

Really I get the opposite feeling, if you like recovery everyone thinks you have bad taste/ mainstream hip hop fan/ teeny boper. You don't have to like it but if you don't why are those people here? Ive said it a million times but yet to get an actual answer.

And relapse was more mature?

[classthe_king]

Everyone stfu with the smh, y'all sound like a bunch of faggots getting all butt hurt over other peoples opinions. If you don't like recovery good for you, this thread wasn't asking if you did or not. Y'all just a bunch of know it alls behind a vomited monitor.

I simply responded as to why the OP was wrong.

Hop off my dick

I'm not on ur dick I wasn't even talking to ur egotistical ass. And how is some one wrong on a "theory" why don't u go look up the word first. It's a matter opinion, no right or wrong.

A theory can be wrong

The ancient greeks had a theory that the earth was the middle of the universe. So that was opinion and isn't wrong?

[Satire]

I completely disagree with saying Relapse sounds like Eminem. The simple fact that the accent is present makes it less "Eminem".

And flows has nothing to do with it. If they're weak to you, cool. But, Eminem always changes his flows anyways so, no.

Okay X'ed Up/ChronicJon/2sday.

God, come to think of it this makes so much fucking sense. Why didn't I think of that

I still love you though, MC.

[shadyboymez]

Recovery didn't gain him only "teeny boppers" fans, it gained him the fans that had previously lost faith in him.

seems it goes both ways. i never lost faith in him after Relapse, i lost faith in him after Encore if anything and Relapse was a refreshing comeback in my opinion. sure, the accents got on my nerves SOMETIMES, but i still enjoy them because they are creative and show a real different side to Em. He doesn;t have to rap in an accent in every song, but he also doesn't have to completely lose it and throw in some of the corniest punchlines in history.
i think he lost some fans with his mainstream-ish Recovery release. I'm not saying he lost me, but i definitely want the real Slim Shady to stand the fuck up!

[classthe_king]

Master Chief is not Chronic Jon and X'd up

[xxTrigger1989xx]

I've never defedned Relapse

The assumptions people on this board makes astonishes me. I don't hate anything mainstram, I hate anything that's not good. Sorry that's Eminem now

Then what fucking "point" are you trying to make then? That you don't like Eminem anymore? That's really fantastic, in that case, you're wasting your time on this side of the forum. You can go to Studio Leaks, most of them hate Eminem and hate Stans even more, so that's perfect for you

You're right, I don't like Eminem anymore. And I know that I'm wasting my time because you guys are the most close minded fucks ever but Dr3 told me post here

We're closed-minded for liking a mainstream Eminem album? That isn't horrible to us? No, we're not. Completely dismissing an album because he chose more mainstream beats and collaborated with Lil Wayne and Rihanna? That sounds much more closed-minded to me. I've said this once and I'll say it again, your opinions on Recovery doesn't make it a bad album for others. That's your personal tastes, your personal opinion. It IS fact to say that Recovery is his most mainstream album and that Recovery is nowhere near the album his first three were, that is not debatable and I am confident in admitting that. But, accepting the album for what it is rather than comparing it to older work isn't illogical, it's a personal choice

[classthe_king]

We're closed-minded for liking a mainstream Eminem album? That isn't horrible to us? No, we're not. Completely dismissing an album because he chose more mainstream beats and collaborated with Lil Wayne and Rihanna? That sounds much more closed-minded to me. I've said this once and I'll say it again, your opinions on Recovery doesn't make it a bad album for others. That's your personal tastes, your personal opinion. It IS fact to say that Recovery is his most mainstream album and that Recovery is nowhere near the album his first three were, that is not debatable and I am confident in admitting that. But, accepting the album for what it is rather than comparing it to older work isn't illogical, it's a personal choice

I can't mentally comprehend how dumb you are.

[xxTrigger1989xx]

We're closed-minded for liking a mainstream Eminem album? That isn't horrible to us? No, we're not. Completely dismissing an album because he chose more mainstream beats and collaborated with Lil Wayne and Rihanna? That sounds much more closed-minded to me. I've said this once and I'll say it again, your opinions on Recovery doesn't make it a bad album for others. That's your personal tastes, your personal opinion. It IS fact to say that Recovery is his most mainstream album and that Recovery is nowhere near the album his first three were, that is not debatable and I am confident in admitting that. But, accepting the album for what it is rather than comparing it to older work isn't illogical, it's a personal choice

I can't mentally comprehend how dumb you are.

Or you are just so dumb and closed-minded you can't comprehend

Obviously you don't. Not even an argument to back it up. Tisk tisk, troll, I thought you were better than this

[dR3]

And it lost him just as many fans lol.

Yeah, that might actually be true, lol.

I'm not trying to sound cool wtf? lol. Why would I try to sound cool to a bunch of people on the internet?

Because it seems that hating the today's Eminem is cool.

[classthe_king]

We're closed-minded for liking a mainstream Eminem album? That isn't horrible to us? No, we're not. Completely dismissing an album because he chose more mainstream beats and collaborated with Lil Wayne and Rihanna? That sounds much more closed-minded to me. I've said this once and I'll say it again, your opinions on Recovery doesn't make it a bad album for others. That's your personal tastes, your personal opinion. It IS fact to say that Recovery is his most mainstream album and that Recovery is nowhere near the album his first three were, that is not debatable and I am confident in admitting that. But, accepting the album for what it is rather than comparing it to older work isn't illogical, it's a personal choice

I never said you were close minded for liking Recovery, I said you were close minded because you love everything that Eminem puts out and refuse to accept that there are better rappers.

When did I dismiss the album because of the beats? I dismissed the album because of the lyrics, flow, delivery, punchlines, fake emotion, rhyming, beats and features.

I'll say it once and I'll say it again, I don't give a fuck about your opinion, this isn't kindergarten. If I can back up my opinion better than you then mine is right.

Yeah Recovery is his most mainstream album and Relapse sucks? When did I say anything to the contrary?

Yeah I accept it for what it is, a piece of shit.

[classthe_king]

And it lost him just as many fans lol.

Yeah, that might actually be true, lol.

I'm not trying to sound cool wtf? lol. Why would I try to sound cool to a bunch of people on the internet?

Because it seems that hating the today's Eminem is cool.

But I was the first one to start hating on Eminem when it wasn't cool so that means I was cool before and now everyone else is trying to get like me.

[Gorila]

And it lost him just as many fans lol.

Yeah, that might actually be true, lol.

I'm not trying to sound cool wtf? lol. Why would I try to sound cool to a bunch of people on the internet?

Because it seems that hating the today's Eminem is cool.

But I was the first one to start hating on Eminem when it wasn't cool so that means I was cool before and now everyone else is trying to get like me.

Do you get a power ego on a forum dude? How pathetic, getting tired of no one checking you out as a rapper so you type "Eminem forum" and take your frustration on here?MikeUFC and other posters at least try and make an argument but you are just a troll, better to ignore this kinds tho.

[xxTrigger1989xx]

We're closed-minded for liking a mainstream Eminem album? That isn't horrible to us? No, we're not. Completely dismissing an album because he chose more mainstream beats and collaborated with Lil Wayne and Rihanna? That sounds much more closed-minded to me. I've said this once and I'll say it again, your opinions on Recovery doesn't make it a bad album for others. That's your personal tastes, your personal opinion. It IS fact to say that Recovery is his most mainstream album and that Recovery is nowhere near the album his first three were, that is not debatable and I am confident in admitting that. But, accepting the album for what it is rather than comparing it to older work isn't illogical, it's a personal choice

I never said you were close minded for liking Recovery, I said you were close minded because you love everything that Eminem puts out and refuse to accept that there are better rappers.

When did I dismiss the album because of the beats? I dismissed the album because of the lyrics, flow, delivery, punchlines, fake emotion, rhyming, beats and features.

I'll say it once and I'll say it again, I don't give a fuck about your opinion, this isn't kindergarten. If I can back up my opinion better than you then mine is right.

Yeah Recovery is his most mainstream album and Relapse sucks? When did I say anything to the contrary?

Yeah I accept it for what it is, a piece of shit.

When have I ever stated that I "refuse" to accept that there are better rappers? I've stated this before, that there are. I've said this all before, that I KNOW that Eminem isn't the GOAT and that there ARE better rappers out there. So that's just you refusing to accept that I accept that. That doesn't mean Eminem STILL can't be my favorite artist. You can have a favorite rapper, but know that they're not the greatest

You have dismissed it because of the beats, I see you do it all the time

That's okay, because no one gives a fuck about your opinion either. I certainly don't, I don't care if you hate Eminem

I never said you did, I was stating that

And yeah, you do that