Rhyme Asylum 101 [response to all the haters]

by **gutawafang** » Mar 24th, '11, 04:27

Rhyme Asylum is sick. Period. Fuck haters.

by **Xray** » Mar 24th, '11, 08:40

I'm disappointed in your feedback k block.

Block wrote:Okay, I gave them a thorough, unbiased listen. The accents don't really hinder my decision making but, I really don't care for them (the accents). Simply because as an American a lot of what they say can be really hard to understand.

Their flow seems really sloppy in a lot of songs. Before you jump on my ass, allow me to explain. Yes, they cram a lot of multies into their rhymes, but in a lot of situations (here included) that actually hinders the flow of the song. In most cases, they don't ride the beat very smoothly. By that, I mean that they could have placed an extra syllable (or two) or taken out a syllable or two. They sacrifice a lot of their flow for the sake of multies; I'm very much against that. Rappers such as spoon / mac lethal / sadistik prove that, if written correctly, there is no need to sacrifice flow for multies; They can work together very, very well.

^^^ This is not to say that some of their songs didn't flow well. They did. EX: multiplicity flowed very well, but the majority did not.

Secondly, their rhyme schemes, from what I've heard, are very, very similar to those who came before them in that genre, notably Diabolic and Canibus.. Along with a slew of battle rappers (thesaures, Iron solomon, etc.) In that respect, they're not very innovative. I mean, they do it well but they aren't groundbreaking.

This being said, I believe they're severely over-hyped on this forum. They aren't groundbreaking or innovative as a whole, but I can see how they are very innovative over in the UK scene.

Overall they aren't something I'd listen to on a regular basis, simply because it's not my type of music. But they are talented and stick to their subject matter very well.

No, they have amazingly crafted flows. It doesn't sound sloppy, why, just because it's slow paced, perhaps because compared to the likes of Sadistik, it's sloppy? I very much prefer slower flows than fast paced ones. It makes it so much easier to capture what they are saying. How other way would you have them flow their lyrics? That's what I thought... Their lyrics are so perfected there's no chance in hell there's anything wrong with it. You are completely wrong about them, you are basing your opinion as if you are disappointed they don't rap like you or your favourite rappers, lol. Unbias my ass, you are comparing them to your favourite rappers, you are already breaking the rule...

Crammed with multies? Excuse me if I'm wrong, but they are lyrical underground rappers, that's what they do. They spit lyrics. They don't fucking rap poetry, sorry to have to use Sadistik as an example but I just had to. Apparantly he doesn't "cram multies", you are so wrong. Shit half the time he doesn't even fucking rhyme, it's fucking hardcore poetry, flowed in the rhythm of a rap to make it sound like a rap, but it's not, it's fucking hardcore poetry.

I saw her dance until the rain put the fire out - poetry
Burned at the stake, Joan of Arc, little anxious Saint - poetry
I illustrate the gates of hell into my notebook - poetry
Her flesh burns up in the furnace - poetry/rhymes
Ashes to Ashley, earned to something earnest - poetry/rhymes
I slit my wrist in cursive, then ink pen - poetry
Write a revelation then burn a stack of bibles - poetry
Question my faith, get my childish ass to smile - poetry
Find another son a piece of confidence to muster - poetry/rhymes
Her ministry echoes in this monolithic structure - poetry/rhymes
Cremate the dying Christmas trees - poetry
The winter is full of bitter ashy black blizzards - poetry
So when the superstition delivered - poetry
And it came down the chimney - poetry
They found her in the fireplace with me... - poetry

His lines only flowed, none of them were multies. None of them were even rap, 4 out of 16 lines only rhymed, and they were only end rhymes. This is not a rap, this is poetry. Moving on...

"But I gave in to all my fears instead - 2 rhymes
The only thing that ran more than me (were the tears you shed) - 2 rhymes
When you told me you cut inside ya flesh - 2 rhymes
Youre depressed and youd rather die instead - 2 rhymes
I could feel my heart tear to bits - 1 rhyme
(The first time Ive cried ever since my parents split) - 1 rhyme
And I knew, there was no you and I - 2 rhymes
I kissed you goodbye, it felt like suicide" - 2 rhymes

That was nothing great, nothing to compare to Rhyme Asylum. They shit on this.

"We walked a broken path while the sun was bleak - poetry
And we were holding hands on these rusted swings - poetry/2 rhymes
That I called "us" and my love would sink - poetry/2 rhymes
underseas that we would drown underneath - poetry
When you would swim deep to catch my lip's speech - poetry/1 rhyme
To try to catch drifts to catch what it means - poetry/1 rhyme
And you found what would grow between us - poetry
So I thought about you while I wrote The Phoenix - poetry/1 rhyme
And now my spine shivers from the notes that you speak - poetry/2 rhyme
of perfect pitched melodies and emotions you seek" - poetry/1 rhyme

He barely even uses multies. Poetry is not multies lol. Now it's time for the "good" song.

My head aches, and feels the blunt vice grips - poetry/2 rhymes
hanging over my tequila sunrises - poetry/1 rhyme
Confide and write this to de-scribe a love life - poetry
that's feeling love lifeless - poetry
I'm the type that'll cherish frozen winters - poetry/1 rhyme
stare at snowy blizzards and take it to heart - poetry
Then break it apart, I carry hopes and blisters - poetry/2 rhyme
Cutting heart strings with a pair of broken scissors - poetry/2 rhyme
I'm still trapped in a middle-school-slow dance - poetry/2 rhymes
Stepping on toes in a mistletoe romance - poetry/2 rhymes
Misanthrope, discomposed who holds hands - poetry/2 rhyme
with grief...Kissing-hope with no chance, but me - poetry/2 rhymes
I'm just searching for some beautiful - poetry/1 rhyme
a dream that I can catch And a person who's unusual - poetry/1 rhyme
When I find her, I'll try to face the tide - poetry
Fight the hurricane, and tidal wave, goodbye - poetry

And I watch all the spectrums of angels - poetry/1 rhyme
Choking to death on the septums and halos - poetry/1 rhyme
Bread crumbs and fables, why change? - poetry/1 rhyme
I hang at the ends of the pay phone - poetry
With no change or number to reach - poetry/2 rhyme
What blankets the sky I slumber beneath - poetry/2 rhyme
Under the speech, this song's about hope, joy, love and defeat - poetry/3 rhymes
All it takes is a peaceful autumn day - poetry
For you to be happy and me to call it fate - poetry
Even after a fucked up childhood, I'm still tryin' - poetry
To believe in God and grace - poetry

I try to get a piece of peace and sit and listen infinitely - poetry/3 rhymes
Holdin onto benefits, and isnt it so innocent? We - poetry/2 rhymes
Try to find another time and underline the cynical - poetry/2 rhymes
Its pitiful we run and hide and undermind the innermost - poetry/2 rhymes
When intervals of miserable will find a figure four - poetry/1 rhyme
And force the phyiscal and inner soul to find a bitter form - poetry/1 rhyme

I gotta bounce now, don't got more time to check his other lyrics, but this dude isn't even hip hop in my opinion at ALL. He is fucking spitting poetry, no shit he doesn't have crammed multies, that's because he spits poetry most of the fucking time, Rhyme Asylum spit hip hop. In terms of rhyming, they are gods compared to this 2 syllable rhyming dude, lol, at all this shit. He flows his lines like his spitting multies, but none of the shit even rhymes, so they aren't multies.

Compare rhyme asylum to rappers that spit rap, not fucking poetry.

LOL @ canibus and diabolic. Diabolic got shit on by them.

Canibus is no where near in their league of lyricism.

by **Satire** » Mar 24th, '11, 09:08

^ The first verse you posted was Mac Lethal lol.

by **Block** » Mar 24th, '11, 09:48

You're way too sensitive dude... Did you forget to take anger meds or something? I mean, no joke..

On the real, though, I listened to them without a biased bone in my body. Why would I be biased on the first listen to an artist / group, when I love hip hop? Also, your post is completely contradicting everything you've previously stated about Sadistik. You've stated how amazing of a lyricist he is. It's also completely hypocritical to point a finger at an artist that has nothing to do with the discussion of this group, and then say that I was the one being biased. My comparison to Sadistik / spoonfull and Mac were purely to show that multies can be used effectively without hindering flow. (I notice you conveniently left out spoon's lyrics - His are the smoothest of them all)

99% of the time, RA's flow is not smooth. (Judging by the songs you posted on the first page of this thread). I heard 1 song that had an amazingly smooth flow, and that was Multiplicity. << So obviously they have the ability to flow better, they just choose not to.

Also, saying that they're without fault or error is ridiculous. Every artist has errors. No one is perfect.. Especially these guys.

I really didn't want to do this, but I'm going to have to...

Your argument that I believe their flow is sloppy because it's slow is severely faultered by the fact I listen to spoonfull religiously. His flow is one of the most laid back flows that there is. (he also uses multies without hindering it...)

perhaps because compared to the likes of Sadistik, it's sloppy?

Sort of. Sadistik gets really sloppy sometimes, as well. More in comparison to spoon / mac lethal. But still sloppy..

Their lyrics are so perfected there's no chance in hell there's anything wrong with it.

That's honestly one of the most absurd claims I've ever heard. And considering I just pointed out how their flow lacks a lot of times, I'm not going to comment...

You are completely wrong about them

How can my opinion be wrong? I never said they sucked. In fact, you quoted me, so you should have seen where I said they're good at what they do and they're talented. Sorry if their scrotum isn't peeking out of my windpipe. No, then again, I'm not.

Unbias my ass, you are comparing them to your favourite rappers, you are already breaking the rule...

Again, I never compared them to any other rappers except to make the distinction between flows.

Crammed with multies? Excuse me if I'm wrong, but they are lyrical underground rappers, that's what they do. They spit lyrics

Again you take what I said out of context. There's a difference between using multies to help the flow and sacrificing the flow of the song to insert another multie; they chose the latter.

Now on to the dissection of verses.. First of all, the first verse is [b]Mac Lethal[/i].. Second of all, you missed a LOT of multies.

Allow me to school you on multies: If it's over 2 syllables (meaning 3+) not every syllable has to rhyme. In fact, I'd go as far as to say; Making every syllable rhyme tends to sound very amateur and limits a writer's ability to expand his arsonal.

Now, Mac's verse first: I'll give you the benefit of the doubt because of your accent, but every line rhymes. It may not be simplistic end-rhymes or in your face multie syllable madness but his use of assonance (rhyming vowel sounds) is great.

Sadistik: I'll just list the multies because you seem to miss a lot.

Tear to bits / parents split - missed a multie.

We walked a broken path where the sun was bleak
And we were holding hands on these rusted swings
That I called us and My
Love would sink underseas and we would drown underneath
When you would swim deep to catch my lipspeech
To try to catch drifts to catch what it means
And you found what would grow between us
So I thought about you while I wrote for pheonix
And now my spine shivers from the notes that you speak
A perfect pitch, melodies, and emotions you seek
Then I'm composin a dream so you can see that I love you
When I hold your broken dreams til I'm bleedin in puddles

Broken path / Holding hands
/rusted swings / love would sink / under seas / underneath
swim deep / lip speech / it means
grow between us / wrote for phenoix
notes that you speak / emotions you seek / composing a dream / broke dream << Multies to not need to be the same syllable count.
see that I love you / bleeding in puddles

My head aches, and feels the blunt vice grips/
hanging over my tequila sunrises/
Confide and write this to de-scribe a love life /
that's feeling love lifeless/
I'm the type that'll cherish frozen winters/
stare at snowy blizzards and take it to heart/
Then break it apart, I carry hopes and blisters/
Cutting heart strings with a pair of broken scissors/
I'm still trapped in a middle school slow dance/
Stepping on toes in a mistletoe romance/
Misanthrope, discomposed who holds hands/
with grief...Kissing hope with no chance, but me/
I'm just searching for some beautiful/
a dream that I can catch And a person who's unusual/
When I find her, I'll try to face the tide/
Fight the hurricane, and tidal wave, goodbye…

Feels the blunt vice grips / tequila sun rises / write this / lifeless
confide / describe ----- Not to mention the placement of rhymes and scheme in this first 4 lines is amazing.

cherish frozen winters / stare at snowy blizzards / carry hopes and blisters / pair of broken scissors
take it to heart / break it apart
middle school slow dance / mistletoe romance /
discomposed who holds hands / kissing hope with no chance / misanthrope
holds hands with grief / no chance but me ---- working one multie off from another. That's not complex rhyme schemes?
beautiful / unusual
try to face the tide / tidal wave goodbye

^^^^ That was possibly the worst Sadistik example you could have posted to say he doesn't execute multies in a delicate and intricate fashion.....

I can't be bothered to go through how ever many more verses to decided to post. The point is: In your anger and eagerness to prove my opinion wrong, you totally misjudged the situation and made yourself look like a fool. As a person who is arguing that [b]cramming multie syllable rhymes[/i] is good, you certaintly missed a LOT of them. (multies)...

I gotta bounce now, don't got more time to check his other lyrics, but this dude isn't even hip hop in my opinion at ALL. He is fucking spitting poetry, no shit he doesn't have crammed multies, that's because he spits poetry most of the fucking time, Rhyme Asylum spit hip hop. In terms of rhyming, they are gods compared to this 2 syllable rhyming dude, lol, at all this shit. He flows his lines like his spitting multies, but none of the shit even rhymes, so they aren't multies.

To say that Sadistik isn't hip hop is possibly the second most ignorant thing you've said in this post. He does rhyme. He [/i]does[/i] execute perfect usage of multie syllabic rhymes, as I pointed out above. Poetry / backpack rap / love rap, whatever you feel like calling it, is still just that; rap. It's hip hop. Getting angry and getting your feelings hurt because I didn't bow down to RA doesn't change that fact.

LOL @ canibus and diabolic. Diabolic got shit on by them.

Canibus is no where near in their league of lyricism.

Again, taking what is said completely out of context. Nobody mentioned lyricism in reference to Diabolic or Canibus... Simply rhyme schemes. They (RA) did not innovate the schemes they are using, nor are they the first -or last- to use them.

There was honestly no need for your post in response to mine. You did nothing except make yourself look foolish by claiming Sadistik doesn't use multies. Why you even compared them in the first place in beyond me...

You know I'm not one of these idiots who post here, Xray.. When I say something it's not bullshit and when it comes to hip hop I know what I'm talking about.

by **Tornado** » Mar 24th, '11, 11:38

RA is dope, simple as. Even Skirmish would finish off most emcee's who are hot at the moment

by **classthe_king** » Mar 24th, '11, 11:47

Sadistik and Possessed are so far ends of the spectrum you can't even compare them lol.

They're both amazing rappers though so I don't get the point of this.

by **classthe_king** » Mar 24th, '11, 14:50

@kblock, yes their flow is flawed but its not meant to be perfect. Their music is suppossed to sound rugged and raw, the flawed, choppy, slow flow only makes it bettter imo. That's also why I like the unprofessional sounding beats from state of lunacy and the english accents. It all helps the image of the group. However, if you want to hear a great flow listen to possesseds verse on straight jacket part 1, its at 1:04. Also, yes they don't have anything ground breaking in their rhyme schemes but in the actual lyrics they are ground breaking without a doubt. No one, I repeat, no one has lyrics like them. The only person that comes close on a horrorcore level is dzk but he doesn't use many punches or much wordplay. I haven't heard anyone combinetwo seperate phrases but make them go together before. "Everyone in my field of vision is just crops for the harvest, sleeps the cousin of death and there's body bags under my eyes, I got master degree burns after a heat sroke of genius, if I get cold feet I'll walk on water till I turn the sea to a sheet of ice. "

Pure genius.

Also saying they can't make songs is ridiculous, hold on, lost, test of faith, life support, this is where, don't wanna be, broken window, all great songs.

@xray, you missed so many rhymes lol, sadistik is by far the greatest rhymer I've ever heard, he is far from a 2 syllable rhymer.

by **Block** » Mar 24th, '11, 16:04

Yeah but read my first post.. I never once put them down or said anything derogatory about them. In fact, I said that they were talented and said they were good for what they do. Xray's ENTIRE post is based on the fact that I said their flow isn't perfect, or innovative. that's hardly putting them down; it's stating facts. He just can't accept the fact that they aren't perfect.

Also, I have no idea where the distik comparisons came from.. I merely compared their flows (mainly spoon) to back up my claim that they could have a smoother flow. And I stated that they were capable of better flows; I even cited a song as proof... but in his fit of rage and eagerness to "prove me wrong", he failed to notice anything positive that I had said.

classthe_king wrote:@kblock, yes their flow is flawed but its not meant to be perfect. Their music is suppossed to sound rugged and raw, the flawed, choppy, slow flow only makes it bettter imo. That's also why I like the unprofessional sounding beats from state of lunacy and the english accents. It all helps the image of the group. However, if you want to hear a great flow listen to possesseds verse on straight jacket part 1, its at 1:04. Also, yes they don't have anything ground breaking in their rhyme schemes but in the actual lyrics they are ground breaking without a doubt. No one, I repeat, no one has lyrics like them. The only person that comes close on a horrorcore level is dzk but he doesn't use many punches or much wordplay. I haven't heard anyone combinetwo seperate phrases but make them go together before. "Everyone in my field of vision is just crops for the harvest, sleeps the cousin of death and there's body bags under my eyes, I got master degree burns after a heat sroke of genius, if I get cold feet I'll walk on water till I turn the sea to a sheet of ice. "

Pure genius.

Also saying they can't make songs is ridiculous, hold on, lost, test of faith, life support, this is where, don't wanna be, broken window, all great songs.

@xray, you missed so many rhymes lol, sadistik is by far the greatest rhymer I've ever heard, he is far from a 2 syllable rhymer.

by **classthe_king** » Mar 24th, '11, 21:36

I was just sayin

by **Xray** » Mar 25th, '11, 04:52

Yeah, yeah, I'm an ignorant asshole, I've heard that one before. But there's nothing I love more than hip hop in life, and when someone tries to compare poetry to hip hop lyrics, I'll burst in your face and tell you that isn't hip hop, that's poetry. Please don't act like you schooled me about multies, I knew you were going to tell me that, because I already saw those "multies" but they weren't multies written in rap form, they were multies written in poetry form, so I dismissed it. I would also like to note, that you've had a similar discussion to this one with Class, and I've read that thread, I know your point 100%, and I find it wrong, you know why? Because you tend to rely on poetry, more than rap. I don't like poetry, and I don't ever want rap to be mixed together with poetry, specially since most non-rap listeners think rap is (retards attempting poetry). If it doesn't rhyme, and it only sounds like it rhymes, purely because of someones accent and ONLY because of someones accent making them rhyme in the context of taking words out of context, sorry, that's poetry. I refuse to follow this lost trend and love for poetry as if it's rap, no, I won't fall for that bullshit. If it's written in the content of poetry, it isn't the same as comparing it to rap lyrics, it's two different contents.

It is not amatuer to rhyme words that actually rhyme on both paper and audio, that's called writing raps. It is much harder to write lyrics that legitimately rhyme and trying to make sense of it all, along with adding in rhyme schemes to perfect it. It is harder to write than it is to write poetry, because poetry takes things out of context, rap puts things into context to the fullest, so it gives you a clearer approach to your meaning you are trying to express. Poetry is so much easier to write. This is why hip hop was created for the people to relate to, because poetry takes things out of context, and brings in a whole different emotion to the lyrics, that make it much more dillusional than rap. Poetry doesn't rhyme on paper, it purely relies on flow, and vowel sounds put together, as you mentioned, it's different. I know what multies are, Sadistik is purely a poet, he writes poetry, and poetry only, he doesn't write rap, so his multies and rhyme schemes are all of poetry. He makes a duck look like an eagle in flight, completely ruining the purpose of relating to hip hop music. I did not listen to any Sadistik songs before when I said he was good, I was completely relying on some of the respected members views to give me an insight of his superioty, because I did not feel the need to argue why he isn't so great. So yes, I was being a hypocrite, but now you know why.

Poetry does not make you a better rapper.

I am not argueing with you in the sense of hate, there is nothing to be ashamed of, this is simply fighting for my opinion as to why I think you are wrong by saying that Rhyme Asylum don't have perfected lyricism and flows. For the record, yes you did compare your favourite rappers to RA, stop denying that by using words that do not relate to the real fact that they are your favourite rappers... Everyone makes this mistake when they are listening to a new artist, and I believe, everyone that has made this same mistake, usually end up not accepting the new material they are listening to. They end up comparing them, and lose the whole purpose of giving a new artist a few moments of your time, so you end up feeling like you just wasted your time.

My opinion is no longer up for debate, I disagree with everything you have said, and I won't agree with any of it, because I feel very differently towards the things you have mentioned, so let's save some time. Your opinion is accepted as an opinion of yours and is respected as an opinion of yours, so don't feel threatened by any means. And I hope you fully understand the full power of my next statement. Rhyme Asylum > your favourite rappers. My side of the story ends here.

by **Xray** » Mar 25th, '11, 05:47

One Mic wrote:I literally only found about him a few weeks back when I saw one of his videos uploaded to a YouTube Chanel that I am subscribed to. Ever since then I've just been trying to find as much stuff of his as possible, because the guy is crazy dope.

From what I've been told by a few guys who know their stuff....He isn't really THAT bothered about music though, it's like a hobby to him. He gets paid in other ways ya know what I mean!! I hope he starts concentrating on music 24/7 though.

Daily Duppy - viewtopic.php?f=6&t=109563&

SB.TV Warm Up Session - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhkoegM9HQE

The Hardway - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XctIKFATSnA

& he used to be called "Frantic Frank", only recently has it changed to English Frank.

Yeah, I heard all his songs on youtube so far, and one of the comments on youtube said that he was working on a album. It's probably a rumour, but it's not that far from the truth. One hell of a influential rapper. TR will never understand this type of music, too bad his music isn't for idiots.

by **Block** » Mar 25th, '11, 06:16

I used to repspect your insite into situations, but you just proved that you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about when it comes to hip hop. Hip hop, in it's purest form, is an advanced form of poetry. To attempt to distinquish between the two and set them apart is ludicrous

Poetry: literature in verse: literary works written in verse, in particular verse writing of high quality, great beauty, emotional sincerity or intensity, or profound insight

I would bet any amount of money that Possessed would call himself a poet. In fact, I'd be my life on it.

Also, assonance has nothing to do with a person's accent. It's a literary term that is known world-wide. It's the rhyming of vowels; It's acknowledged. You didn't "dismiss" them, you dumb ass; You didn't see them. Atleast man up to the fact you missed them. The fact you say something isn't what it is -in this case a multie syllabic rhyme- doesn't make it a widely accepted rule or fact.

Your second paragraph doesn't even make sense.. It's a bunch of nonsensical babble that has nothing to do with anything stated previously. Good job there, I guess? I don't know.. Nothing to reply to.

Now, who said poetry makes a person a better rapper? I'll repeat: NO ONE SAID ANYONE WAS BETTER THAN ANYONE. Absolutely no one argued against your opinion. No one said you were wrong for thinking how you do (except for right now because you're displaying traits of being fucking retarded)

Attempting to interject your predisposed opinions into a situation that doesn't call for them doesn't automatically make you right. In all reality, it makes you look desperate.

Let's face facts: You got your feelings hurt because I didn't immediately dick ride RA. Sorry, not going to happen. You also went off on some rant; Not once, but twice, about how much better RA is than "ADD NAME HERE".. When NOBODY (except you) even mentioned that scenario. You're a classic sociopath with a victim mentality. If someone doesn't agree with you 100% they are wrong and deserve to burn at the stake. Grow the fuck up and accept the fact that people have opinions that differ from your own. You've read my lyrics and complimented them, so don't tell me that poetry is this and poetry is that. And don't try to back out now because you contradicted yourself with the sadistik shit. That's the thinnest veil to be torn, Xray.

I'll reiterate this statement once again for your feeble mind to comprehend: I stated RA were good at what they do, but they are not perfect; Nor are they groundbreaking in the genre. Their lyricism is great. Does that make their flow perfect? No. It has nothing to do with their flow.

Also: NOBODY COMPARED THE TWO EXCEPT YOU. I mean, maybe in your mind I did.. But your mind is wrong. Assuming that I did, without proof, is only hindering your argument because it's a baseless assumption with no ground to stand on. It's making you look even more foolish than you made yourself look by missing those multies.

I respected you and tolerated your sometimes over-the-top antics, but when you blatantly contradict everything you've previously said about an artist or genre, in order to force your over-opinionated bullshit down my throat, that's when I draw the line. I wasn't arguing against your opinion of liking them or saying you were wrong for believing they're 'perfect'. Again, grow the fuck up.

And you're also saying that writing rhymes like (not literally these rhymes.. I'm talking about the type you are mentioning that rhyme every syllable): Meet my gun / feet I run ---- easy with writes / jeezy is tight... Is somehow more difficult than writing: Cherish frozen winters / stare at snowy blizzards ??????? Really? If they are so much more difficult, then why is it that only a handful of rappers (including underground cats) can successfully execute assonance rhyming?

Stop getting your feelings hurt.

Xray wrote:Yeah, yeah, I'm an ignorant asshole, I've heard that one before. But there's nothing I love more than hip hop in life, and when someone tries to compare poetry to hip hop lyrics, I'll burst in your face and tell you that isn't hip hop, that's poetry. Please don't act like you schooled me about multies, I knew you were going to tell me that, because I already saw those "multies" but they weren't multies written in rap form, they were multies written in poetry form, so I dismissed it. I would also like to note, that you've had a similar discussion to this one with Class, and I've read that thread, I know your point 100%, and I find it wrong, you know why? Because you tend to rely on poetry, more than rap. I don't like poetry, and I don't ever want rap to be mixed together with poetry, specially since most non-rap listeners think rap is (retards attempting poetry). If it doesn't rhyme, and it only sounds like it rhymes, purely because of someones accent and ONLY because of someones accent making them rhyme in the context of taking words out of context, sorry, that's poetry. I refuse to follow this lost trend and love for poetry as if it's rap, no, I won't fall for that bullshit. If it's written in the content of poetry, it isn't the same as comparing it to rap lyrics, it's two different contents.

It is not amatuer to rhyme words that actually rhyme on both paper and audio, that's called writing raps. It is much harder to write lyrics that legitimately rhyme and trying to make sense of it all, along with adding in rhyme schemes to perfect it. It is harder to write than it is to write poetry, because poetry takes things out of context, rap puts things into context to the fullest, so it gives you a clearer approach to your meaning you are trying to express. Poetry is so much easier to write. This is why hip hop was created for the people to relate to, because poetry takes things out of context, and brings in a whole different emotion to the lyrics, that make it much more dillusional than rap. Poetry doesn't rhyme on paper, it purely relies on flow, and vowel sounds put together, as you mentioned, it's different. I know what multies are, Sadistik is purely a poet, he writes poetry, and poetry only, he doesn't write rap, so his multies and rhyme schemes are all of poetry. He makes a duck look like an eagle in flight, completely ruining the purpose of relating to hip hop music. I did not listen to any Sadistik songs before when I said he was good, I was completely relying on some of the respected members views to give me an insight of his superioty, because I did not feel the need to argue why he isn't so great. So yes, I was being a hypocrite, but now you know why.

Poetry does not make you a better rapper.

I am not argueing with you in the sense of hate, there is nothing to be ashamed of, this is simply fighting for my opinion as to why I think you are wrong by saying that Rhyme Asylum don't have perfected lyricism and flows. For the record, yes you did compare your favourite rappers to RA, stop denying that by using words that do not relate to the real fact that they are your favourite rappers... Everyone makes this mistake when they are listening to a new artist, and I believe, everyone that has made this same mistake, usually end up not accepting the new material they are listening to. They end up comparing them, and lose the whole purpose of giving a new artist a few moments of your time, so you end up feeling like you just wasted your time.

My opinion is no longer up for debate, I disagree with everything you have said, and I won't agree with any of it, because I feel very differently towards the things you have mentioned, so let's save some time. Your opinion is accepted as an opinion of yours and is respected as an opinion of yours, so don't feel threatened by any means. And I hope you fully understand the full power of my next statement. Rhyme Asylum > your favourite rappers. My side of the story ends here.

by **Xray** » Mar 25th, '11, 07:15

That's it, that's the way it's done. Release all that anger, it's good for you. :y:

Yep, yep, I'm an anger fueled poster, yet you showed more anger in your post than any of mine. I don't know anything about multies, multies? What the hell is that, anyways? Sounds like some European country. Word, I'm a dumbass, and I don't know anything about hip hop. Yet your hip hop seems to be mostly white rappers, haha. You are god, and I am a peasant, haha.

Sadistik sucks, he doesn't write raps and fuck poetry, it's for fags. :y:

by **Block** » Mar 25th, '11, 07:40

Xray wrote:That's it, that's the way it's done. Release all that anger, it's good for you.

Yep, yep, I'm an anger fueled poster, yet you showed more anger in your post than any of mine. I don't know anything about multies, multies? What the hell is that, anyways? Sounds like some European country. Word, I'm a dumbass, and I don't know anything about hip hop. Yet your hip hop seems to be mostly white rappers, haha. You are god, and I am a peasant, haha.

Sadistik sucks, he doesn't write raps and fuck poetry, it's for fags.

Overtly sarcastic responses with excessive use of smilies usually only come after somebody has absolutely nothing else they can respond with.

Anger? Lol? Proving your over-opinionated bullshit to be wrong has nothing to do with anger, bro. It has to do with you taking everything you read out of context and somehow manipulating it to suit your needs.

I honestly don't care about your opinion of Sadistik (or any other rapper). I don't care about your opinion of me, for that matter. My initial post in this thread was my honest thoughts of the group; You took it to heart and got offended by it. Tough shit, little man.

And in what universe is the difference in skin color a deciding factor to someone's skill? You just hung yourself with that one. Isn't possessed white? Dumb ass.

If you want some pseudo-anger, here..

You're an insufferable, insecure little puppet with an amazingly visable napoleon complex. I mean, you don't hide that shit at all.. It's like crack in a crack-den; All out in the open. You'll go to great lengths in order to fit in, even though you attempt to hide that fact by drowning yourself in this angery internet personna that you've created; It shows through in posts such as the ones in this thread where you admit to following the crowd like a lost sheep when mentioning the likes of sadistik. It's also very noticable in many of your other posts / actions. I wouldn't be surprised if half of what you like (or think you like) is from other 'respected' people's tastes and likes / dislikes. Because, let's face it, you've never really had an opinion of your own to be formed, have you? Mommy and daddy never let that happen, right?

When looking at your posts and how you choose to construct them and articulate your words, all I can imagine in my mind is one of those tiny, criminally annoying poodle dogs that stand about ankle-high; and are constantly barking their high-pitched yelps in an attempt to scare off anyone who would step on them (sound familiar?) If that doesn't deter the would-be assailant, they reach into their -very tiny- bag of tricks and start nipping and biting at ankles until finally the person gets annoyed enough with their idiocy and just leaves. (Again, sound familiar?) Get the fuck off my ankles.

You severely over-compensate for everything you lack in life by logging in to TRshady.com and bombarding members with post after post with your manic-depressive, excessive aggression and -what I can only describe as- late-onset teenage angst. It's very prevelant in your writing that you are far from happy with your life and those who you are surrounded with. You treat anyone who doesn't hate the world as if they are somehow weaker than yourself, but fail to see the fact that you're the weakest of the weak. You're the most emotional person I've ever met. I am being completely and totally truthful when I say that I wouldn't be surprised if you've cried yourself to sleep more than once while listening to your 'hardcore lyricism'. You've kept up a decent facade for a number of years but I've seen the posts, Sajjad..

You need an over-sized, (hopefully lethal) dose of fucking reality, my friend. And while you're choking that down, you can quit rapping again and complain to us all about how your family has abandoned you and your struggle is so difficult and nobody will ever understand you... Give it up, you emo prick. Get a fucking prescription of prozac and move on with your life like the rest of the world does. You're no different than anyone else. Nobody owes you anything and nobody is conforming to your twisted little way of thinking.

Facts.