Eminem Only Has 1 Good Album

[Satire]

....and is not the GOAT, sorry stans.

First off, before I start, I want the mods to know that this is not a troll, albeit this is not exactly personal opinion either (Some of it is). This is the opinions of many members on this forum (who wish to remain anonymous) that have asked me to sum into a topic and post for others to discuss. If you lock or move this, you are following a double standard and are biased as fuck, considering you let this thread stay:

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You let that thread stand in the main-section because it was praising Eminem and everyone agreed with it. This is actual discussion on the opposite end but in the same field. On behalf of MANY other members, we are begging you to let it stay.

In your response post to this thread, I want you to answer these questions

1.)Did you enjoy Recovery? If you didn't, why?
2.)Do you think Em has the best discography of all time, if not, who's do you think is better?
and finally
3.)Do you believe Eminem is the GOAT, why? If not, who do you think is better?

Let me start by saying Eminem is my favorite artist, but I know for a fact that he's not the greatest rapper alive, especially not at this moment in time. He is nowhere near where his peak was, and he has basically lost all credibility in the eyes of real rap fans for doing pop music with Rihanna and Lil' Wayne. He is lyrically "decent" now, but he is not the best out there. In every other aspect he pretty much sucks.

First I'll explain why Em hasn't been good for a while:

First off, Call me Bi-Polar, but frankly, relistening to Relapse and Recovery, I've come to the conclusion that these albums are just alright, decent at best. I'm not gonna lie and say it was a shitty album but that's not to say it didn't suffer from some serious problems.

Despite the good rhyming and good flow, Relapse' voice and delivery ruins the listenability of the entire album, not to mention the bland and simply uninteresting subject content. Some of the hooks flat out sucked too. He also looks like a child on the front cover. It was just a sub-par album altogether.

Recovery has many more problems than Relapse. The flow and lyricism is not as good, and the delivery is god awful. The production is retardedly generic-commercial and the feature line-up sucked dick. I'm not even going to dip into why I think most of the punchlines on that album were fucking garbage but Em should never attempt wordplay again. The only thing I appreciate about the album is Em listening to his fans and giving them what they want, but to me, when I looked at it from a further perspective, I was looking at a sub par album covered in glitter. It has very few moments where his lyrical self shined but even then his flow/delivery was no where near it once was.

These 2 albums themselves keep Em from having anything close to an amazing discography but because I know so many of you are too stupid to understand that I will still explain it to you. I know you blind Stans want to pretend that the latter half of Em's career didn't happen but we just can't. Encore was the worst album ever made by a good artist. Worse than Kingdom Come,. worse than 808s & Heartbreak, worse than Nastradamus, even worse than Pac's Life. Not to mention his first 2 albums have aged horribly. They are almost equivalent to Outkast's albums which also seem like inferior piles of shit in this day and age. The sound, the quality and the beats are all slowly becoming dated, not to say that the lyrics weren't there, because they were...Even though MMLP had its few wack moments in lyricism and alot of SSLP was corny as fuck...Cum On Everybody? Really?

First off 2002 was his peak as a rappers. He composed his masterpiece along with rap's pump-up anthem "Lose Yourself" (Albeit a tad overrated.). Unlike his first 2 albums, he was not just exploiting rap, trying to stir controversy, he was actually making music. This is where Marshall Mathers finally turned into a true artist, and of his first 4 albums, Eminem Show is easily the only one that I would still bump in my car without being embarassed.

And here is why Eminem is supurbly overrated as a rapper: He was just not that good. I mean he was, but not that good. The only thing he ever had was the ability to string words together but he would never able to pull off the wordplay of other great rappers such as Big L, Jay-Z, Celph Titled, Chino XL, etc. His wordplay now is just awful. Not to mention even when he was good his subject matter was somewhat monotonous. It was always introspection, he hardly ever thought outside of the box besides some tracks on MMLP. He was always swallowed in his own problems that it was just repetitive.

And I didn't want to bring race into the subject, but I think we all know how Em got as big as he did. He used these problems that the average white boy could relate to, exploited them, and the truth is it sold. That's why Em as a product works.

"And they connected to me too because I look like them"

Because that's all he is, a product. A character. He isn't real. Well he is real, but he's real because he's fake. I'm willing to bet if Em wasn't white he wouldn't have made it farther than a black rapper just as talented as him; Royce Da 5'9.

His voice also had alot to do with it.

On top of ALL OF THIS, lets not forget all of the shit talent that he signed: Stat Quo, Bobby Creekwater, Cashis, D12, etc.

Em is top 10, but he is not the greatest solo artist alive. I do know who is though, and if this topic gets to atleast page 10, I will reveal who it is.

Here are artists that I think are better than Eminem right now:

Tech N9ne

Hopsin
Slaughterhouse
Sadistik
Copywrite
Diabolic
Kanye West
Lowkey
MF Doom
K-OS
Zion I
One Be Lo
Mos Def
Possessed
Nas
Big Pun
J. Cole
Jay Z
2Pac
Biggie
pharoahe monch
Big L
Andre 3000
Black Thought

As I said, I will eventually reveal who is the best rapper alive. Now, until then, take this thread into consideration next time you listen to Eminem, discuss it, and answer the questions. I bid you a due.

JUST KIDDING TROLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLL.

[Tranquil]

Now your saying that he isnt the best rapper alive, thats wrong, cause he is. Tech N9ne comes pre close, but some of the other people you listen, bahahahaha

[One Mic]

I agree with everything Satire says.

If there are any Stans in town, then I suggest you do the same.

[VenomBlackViper]

Wow this is so ignorant, especially the fact that you listed all those nobodies at the bottom. I mean I understand One Be Lo & Zion I but who the fuck is Nas?

[dR3]

The first three are definite classics. I don't enjoy listening to SSLP, but you can't deny its greatness and impact on the society and hip hop culture.

And Chino XL has better wordplay/punchlines than Eminem? Lol no.

[VenomBlackViper]

Wow this is so ignorant, especially the fact that you listed all those nobodies at the bottom. I mean I understand One Be Lo & Zion I but who the fuck is Nas?

All those lines in your sig are TERRIBLE. That Copywrite one is

Better then your drum cover videos with 15 views

[yoshi]

Ahh.. I expected something more controversial, yet I have to agree with you at some point. I honestly admit to not giving a fuck about Relapse and Recovery and I've never fully listened to them. The singles I've heard helped me make up my mind about the albums. I didn't like his flow, lyrics were decent but WAY below the level I'd expected from him.

As for the discography.. Maybe not the best, because honestly - how can you even choose a best discography? Based on what? The amount of sold records? Nah. The amount of prizes you won? Not really. The amount of "classics"? I think that's a personal choice, of course there are some obvious classics like "Mecca And The Soul Brother" for example, but really this is very very subjective. At least from my point of view. There are rappers out there who'd released so many good or great albums on a similar level that it's really hard to judge, plus they're really on some different stuff, like Nas or let's say Talib - they rap about same things, but in a different way, and I find it hard to say who's better.

Back to Eminem though - SSLP and MMLP were good, I've been bumping MMLP for a while now and I love it. It might not be the best album ever, it's not even close to TES in my opinion, but it definitely made the hip hop enviroment popular. I mean Eminem did something for the hip hop culture, he showed that white kids have the right to listen to rap and release records. I think that's what really counts - his input in this culture, because for me it's important to look at the bigger picture. You might be a genius when it comes to multis, or have amazing flow, but what if your rapping doesn't change anything? Like we said in some thread before - a rapper has to have personality. Eminem has it, whether it's just a commercial image or his "inner" self.

I'm not really gonna discuss every single album, which one was better, or which one sucked and why, but I've read that one book about him, written by Anthony Bozza and he really made me think about Eminem not only as a rapper, but as a person who had a huge impact on hip hop. If he's not the GOAT, then ok, whatever. It's the matter of your personal choice, I don't have any problem with that. Some people like Wayne who is a complete piece of shit in my opinion. And Eminem? For me, he's gonna remain the guy who got me into rap music and showed that you can do anything you want to (as corny as it sounds, it's true).


So, the whole point is that you have to take a look at the bigger picture. Greatness isn't measured by the amount of albums you sell or release, just look at 50 Cent. It's measured by your entire input in what you do and how it affects others. Eminem did it and he did it well, and I hate what he became now, I hate that he did a song with Rihanna or Wayne, I hate his flow nowadays, but I'll always go back to his older albums.

[westsidekreidy]

I think you should get a job...or something to consume your time.

[VenomBlackViper]

I think you should get a job...or something to consume your time.

I think you should put the porno on mute and shut the fuck up, my opinion > your life.

[j04370859]

but he would never able to pull off the wordplay of other great rappers such as Big L, Jay-Z, Celph Titled, Chino XL, etc.

Punchlines are the worst part of rap tbh. I hope Em drops them very soon.

I guess you didn't like Big L.

[GenePeer]

A whole post of pile of shit that hasn't actually said anything

1.)Did you enjoy Recovery? If you didn't, why?

Recovery was no doubt the best album of last year. Since you don't seem to care for those who actually did like it, I won't bother defending it in this post.

2.)Do you think Em has the best discography of all time, if not, who's do you think is better?
and finally

Yes I do. The first half was so fucking epic, that EVEN IF the second half is as bad as you claim it to be, he would still have a better discography that the bullshit list you just gave.

3.)Do you believe Eminem is the GOAT, why? If not, who do you think is better?[/b]

G.O.A.T? He sure is the best to ever touch the mic. He's the only MC who's ever made me laugh, angry, sad, or calm with just his music. He's the only MC who's totally changed his style with every album. Don't get me started on how insanely good he's rhyming and flows are; we already have most of that in the "Unnoticed Rhymes" thread. In fact, the very existence of that thread alone makes Eminem better than your list.

It's funny how you people forget that getting famous is a talent. An important one at that for rappers, and yet I only know like half of that list. Ask people who don't listen to Rap religiously, they probably just know Nas, Jay-Z, Kanye, and Andre 3k. The rest don't mean much (fuck Hopsin and Tech N9ne, those guys sound the same on every single fucking song). What's the point of being the GOAT if only a handful of people know you?

Why the fuck do you even have Kanye on that list? HE'S JUST A FUCKING PRODUCER!! If he made an album of just instrumentals, it'd sell more than his actual albums. Nuff said.

I feel like Andre 3k, Nas, and Jay-Z are all on the same level of "great". I'd rather not rank them, since I like each for different reasons.

My two cents

[VenomBlackViper]

but he would never able to pull off the wordplay of other great rappers such as Big L, Jay-Z, Celph Titled, Chino XL, etc.

Punchlines are the worst part of rap tbh. I hope Em drops them very soon.

I guess you didn't like Big L.

I don't like you and if you're a Big L fan then i'm dropping him off of my top 10.

[One Mic]

It's measured by your entire input in what you do and how it affects others. Eminem did it and he did it well, and I hate what he became now, I hate that he did a song with Rihanna or Wayne, I hate his flow nowadays, but I'll always go back to his older albums.

This is not a personal attack on you (even though I'm quoting your post) but it amuses me that people say stuff similiar to what you just said there. They say that they have no interest in listening to "new Eminem" and stuff like that, but it's not as if he turned into Soulja Boy overnight.

He still releases decent music from time to time, and he always will....but it's way less consistant in quality than it was in his prime.

If you take the best songs from Relapse and Recovery you have yourself a very good compilation of music

So what if it isn't as good as his older stuff? That means you can't listen to it?

[Devil'sAdvocate]

if thats what you think,then im really sorry for you tbh.

[VenomBlackViper]

It's measured by your entire input in what you do and how it affects others. Eminem did it and he did it well, and I hate what he became now, I hate that he did a song with Rihanna or Wayne, I hate his flow nowadays, but I'll always go back to his older albums.

This is not a personal attack on you (even though I'm quoting your post) but it amuses me that people say stuff similiar to what you just said there. They say that they have no interest in listening to "new Eminem" and stuff like that, but it's not as if he turned into Soulja Boy overnight.

He still releases decent music from time to time, and he always will....but it's way less as consistant than it was in his prime.

If you take the best songs from Relapse and Recovery you have yourself a very good compilation of music

So what if it isn't as good as his older stuff? That means you can't listen to it?

It doesn't matter if he releases decent music anymore, if I wanted decent i'd listen to Kanye West more often. He's gotten horrible since Encore, he doesn't use multis anymore and I just can't take him seriously when he's only rhyming one syllable.