Was Eminem trying to create TES 2 with Recovery?

[xxTrigger1989xx]

I'm pretty sure this has been brought up before, but I wanna bring it up again, mainly to compare the production. Now, obviously the production on Recovery isn't as good as TES, and sounds nothing like it...we know that already. No one should have to think twice about that. But, I think what Eminem was trying to do, with the production and his particular selection of songs, was to try to make a more mainstream version of TES. If you notice on Recovery, guitars are everywhere (like on TES, only on this album its mainly acoustic). The album is full of rock elements that might not be caught on at first. Eminem has ALWAYS (and I do mean always, it's not even an exaggeration) used rock elements, guitars, all that good shit in his music. He did wanna experiment with producers, but Recovery is a lot more coherent in its production than people give it credit for. If I listen to the album front to back, everything seems to be in the right place.

I'm not saying the actual production is similar, because it's most definitely not. But I think the aim, his choice of beats, etc., was to make it like TES (Apparently, I need to bold this so people know). And no, let's not turn this into a Recovery vs. TES argument or a "Recovery sucks" thread, this is serious. I wanna see if anyone else notices this. It's a very long shot for me to suggest all of that, but whatever, we need something to talk about...

Discuss.

[Devil'sAdvocate]

production wise? no

[DƎRDYPK]

is this topic serious?
fuck no
Recovery sux 10 times harder than it used to when compared to TES

[momentsgolden]

Not Really to be honest. The production on Recovery is much more rock than any Eminem album before... almost as if he the lyrics where written for the Beats and not the beats where made for the lyrics. (LTWYL is an obvious fact and case in point) On The Eminem show, he seems to have a clear direction and focal point while Recovery is as Eminembase put it "letting his pen lead the way".

If anything, i feel on this album, Eminem listened to way more stuff than he recognizes. It has obvious influences from Wayne in terms of lyrics, some extension of "Forever", "Despicable" rhyming and "stadium music" from all the flash in the pan artists on "Cinderella Man." He does try his hand at the love concepts of course, not being able to pull them off completely falling back on Hip-hop (Seduction). These were popular in his time out.

[xxTrigger1989xx]

Yes, it is serious. You honestly can't hear it? I said, in my OP, that the production is NOT similar, but I have a feeling Em WANTED it to be similar with the rock beats. I'm saying he intended for it to be that way, obviously the final product doesn't sound that way, I even said this in the OP that the production is NOT similar. I like you PK, and this goes for anyone, but I really do wish people would read carefully and really know what's being asked before they pop up with an asshole answer...

Also, this topic is a thousand times better than most these days in Chit-Chat. And DEFINITELY better than a troll thread, because this isn't one. I wanted discussion.

[Bistnal]

I hope he wasn't lol. But seriously, by trying to change direction in a major way in comparison to Relapse and the serious subject matter, the mood of the album, I could see where you're coming from. But, he didn't do that great a job if he was. Thank god he didn't say he was, otherwise people would hate Recovery twice as much.

[Light-Year]

i really think that he was headed that direction, but with a little twist to it's own side, with songs like cold wind blows, he was also trying to bring out his good side and not just his cool side.

[zedzero27]

Never thought of Recovery in this way before.

I don't think Recovery is TES2

but, I do think he had to put more maturity into his lyrics to stay relevant.

no girls I know listened and liked Relapse
but, they all seem to eat Recovery up like it's Eminem' actual dick.

[Chet Starr]

Not at all

[xxTrigger1989xx]

Never thought of Recovery in this way before.

I don't think Recovery is TES2

but, I do think he had to put more maturity into his lyrics to stay relevant.

no girls I know listened and liked Relapse
but, they all seem to eat Recovery up like it's Eminem' actual dick.

I don't think it is TES2 either, because it's most definitely not...I'm just trying to say, I think that was one of his aims with Recovery was to make an album kind of like it. He failed, of course, TES is a million times the album Recovery is, but Recovery is still a great album to me.

[Trimss]

I do think he wanted to do something similar.

An album dealing with his own issues and fighting them, with a lot of replay value. Too bad the beats weren't as good as in TES.

He didn't think "Oh, hey, let's do a copycat of TES" but more "hey, let's deal with my problems in an emotional and dark album, with its lights and its darkness"

So I can understand you when you say he was trying to create a TES2.

[zedzero27]

I don't think it is TES2 either, because it's most definitely not...I'm just trying to say, I think that was one of his aims with Recovery was to make an album kind of like it. He failed, of course, TES is a million times the album Recovery is, but Recovery is still a great album to me.

Recovery is a great album to me too.

I think with Recovery he was aiming to stay relevant in the rap game.