Why Sadistik is better than current Eminem

[classthe_king]

But Sadistik isnt better than current Eminem, no matter how much you guys try to argue it.

Yeah because you've backed that up so well in this thread

[Block]

Sadistik's rhyming far surpasses Eminem's. Even old Em's..

I disagree with the flow, however. Yes, it's better than the new Em's.. But not the old. Sadistik's flow isn't perfect at all. He also suffers from, "Forgot to take away a syllable so that I could make another complete multi"-syndrome. He has gotten better, though.. That song he did with Spoon proved that his flow has improved dramatically.

[Block]

skittles.

Yesterday my dog died, I hog tied a ho, tied her in a bow
Said next time you blow up try to spit a flow
You wanna criticize dog try a little mo
I'm so tired of this I could blow, fire in the hole
I'm fired up so fire up the lighter and the dro
Better hold on a little tighter here I go
Flows tighter, hot headed as ghostrider
Cold hearted as Spiderman throwin a spider in the snow
So ya better get lower than Flo-Rida inside of a lowrider with no tires in the hole
Why am I like this? why is winter cold
Why is it when I talk I'm so biased to the hoes
Listen dog Christmas is off this is as soft as it gets
This isnt golf this is a blisterin' assault
Those are your wounds this is the salt
So get lost
Shit dissin me is just like pissin off the wizard of Oz
Wrap a lizard in gauze beat you in the jaws with it
Grab the scissors and saws and
Cut out your livers gizzards and balls
Throw you in the middle of the ocean in the blizzard with jaws
So sip piss like sizzurp through a straw
Then describe how it tasted like dessert to us all
Got the gall to make Chris piss in his draws
Tickle him go to his grave, skip him and visit his dog

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skittles.

Yesterday my dog died, I hog tied a ho, tied her in a bow
Said next time you blow up try to spit a flow
You wanna criticize dog try a little mo
I'm so tired of this I could blow, fire in the hole
I'm fired up so fire up the lighter and the dro
Better hold on a little tighter here I go
Flows tighter, hot headed as ghostrider
Cold hearted as Spiderman throwin a spider in the snow
So ya better get lower than Flo-Rida inside of a lowrider with no tires in the hole
Why am I like this? why is winter cold
Why is it when I talk I'm so biased to the hoes
Listen dog Christmas is off this is as soft as it gets
This isnt golf this is a blisterin' assault
Those are your wounds this is the salt
So get lost
Shit dissin me is just like pissin off the wizard of Oz
Wrap a lizard in gauze beat you in the jaws with it
Grab the scissors and saws and
Cut out your livers gizzards and balls
Throw you in the middle of the ocean in the blizzard with jaws
So sip piss like sizzurp through a straw
Then describe how it tasted like dessert to us all
Got the gall to make Chris piss in his draws
Tickle him go to his grave, skip him and visit his dog

Who needs Eminems when you got Skittles

icwatudidthar

[EminemBase]

Flow:

I know you guys like to nut over Eminem's flow but I promise you, it's not good at all. Ask Block, Mc Maybe, Satire, anyone who makes a lot of Hip-Hop and knows a lot about it and they will tell you the same thing. His flow is extremely sloppy, he awkwardly places his rhymes all over the bar causing him to sound off beat, he'll place the middle of a sentence at the end of a bar, pause and then quickly rap the end of the sentence. This makes his flow extremely choppy and all over the place.

He does that on purpose though. It's not a mistake.

He's clearly trying to sound unpredictable and manic, if you're referring to recently.

But, he's always done that in the past too, ending a bar on half a word so that you have to listen for the next line and also to rhyme the first half of the word with the end of the following bar. A lot of rappers do that though, but it's intentional not a fuck-up. I don't agree that he sounds off-beat though (cover this later in post, end up agreeing kind of).

Like Em said, with his first two albums he was trying to catch-up with the beat. He really nailed it with The Eminem Show. But, I think some rappers who some would consider to have better flows - to me at least, sound like they're tryna catch-up with the beat and I think if there's one thing Em has mastered in various styles throughout his career, it's flow.

Not here to debate Sadistik vs. Em as I know nothing about Sadistik. But was just skimming and saw that, and you write it like it's a flaw as if an accident. Whether you like it or not is a separate discussion but, it's on purpose. That bit you said about him speeding up quickly as if to 'fit the bar' in I don't agree with how you put either... he is doing that lately but again, he's clearly switching between fast and slow and messing around with style...

It's not like he couldn't figure out how to fit the bar in so rushed it. Which is what I hear a lot of rappers do when a word doesn't fit or something. But he always manages to get the bars in, and fit a lot of conversation in bars and deliver it all naturally and with a structured (though often manic, these days) flow that intentionally bounces back and forth.

And I think when he does that it takes flow to a more interesting level, to give you the impression you don't know what he's gonna say next all the time. Again, whether it works or you think it sounds shit, or if he's predictable - not relevant to why he's doing it.

But personally, I'd much rather hear that (also does this on "Kill You" a lot) than the straightforward, 'chilled' or predictable flow of most. This is what makes Em sound unique from other rappers I think. Which is why The Marshall Mathers LP doesn't age, the flows are more like conversations so they don't sound corny over time, they sound quicker and sharper.

What he does lately is, well yes he does go off-beat because he normally creates these flows in his head and lately doesn't really seem to care what beat he's on, as he'll just apply the flow anyway and he seems to more-so think his flow is more important than the beat. Like it's literally a subtle and insignificant backdrop. So yes technically he is going off-beat I guess. But because of the fact he always has some kind of 'head structure' to his flow, it never sounds odd to me, and always sounds rhythmically on time to my ears. Whether directly with the beat or not.

But this is the problem with other people producing for Em or, with these 'fuller' beats Em is rapping over. Which is why The Eminem Show flows are so good and his voice 'becomes' the beat, because they're his beats, which he molded around the flows in his head. So they fit perfectly to his rhythm and direction.

PS. Do you mean... that Eminem's CURRENT flows only are off-beat and messy or do you mean, Eminem's flow in general as in, Eminem's past flows too?

[Block]

^^^ going on what you said about the 'flow in his head'.. I was kind of thinking this the other day when I was listening to Cleaning Out My Closet. I noticed that he is NEVER on beat in that song. Well, not the technical definition of being on beat.. But it all fits together. Not having actually sat down and listened to that song in almost 6 years, I never noticed it before. Now, being more versed in the technical aspects of music, it's actually quite amazing to hear.

With the new stuff, though, he just fucks it up.. lol. I haven't even listened to 90% of his new material.. Only like 4 songs, I believe.. But I can't stand anything about them. Most notably, the flow.

[Kez]

Yesterday my dog died, I hog tied a ho, tied her in a bow
Said next time you blow up try to spit a flow
You wanna criticize dog try a little mo
I'm so tired of this I could blow, fire in the hole
I'm fired up so fire up the lighter and the dro
Better hold on a little tighter here I go
Flows tighter, hot headed as ghostrider
Cold hearted as Spiderman throwin a spider in the snow
So ya better get lower than Flo-Rida inside of a lowrider with no tires in the hole
Why am I like this? why is winter cold
Why is it when I talk I'm so biased to the hoes
Listen dog Christmas is off this is as soft as it gets
This isnt golf this is a blisterin' assault
Those are your wounds this is the salt
So get lost
Shit dissin me is just like pissin off the wizard of Oz
Wrap a lizard in gauze beat you in the jaws with it
Grab the scissors and saws and
Cut out your livers gizzards and balls
Throw you in the middle of the ocean in the blizzard with jaws
So sip piss like sizzurp through a straw
Then describe how it tasted like dessert to us all
Got the gall to make Chris piss in his draws
Tickle him go to his grave, skip him and visit his dog

I don't even know who Sadistik is, but the amount of multis you put in a verse does not automatically make you better.

[Block]

Yesterday my dog died, I hog tied a ho, tied her in a bow
Said next time you blow up try to spit a flow
You wanna criticize dog try a little mo
I'm so tired of this I could blow, fire in the hole
I'm fired up so fire up the lighter and the dro
Better hold on a little tighter here I go
Flows tighter, hot headed as ghostrider
Cold hearted as Spiderman throwin a spider in the snow
So ya better get lower than Flo-Rida inside of a lowrider with no tires in the hole
Why am I like this? why is winter cold
Why is it when I talk I'm so biased to the hoes
Listen dog Christmas is off this is as soft as it gets
This isnt golf this is a blisterin' assault
Those are your wounds this is the salt
So get lost
Shit dissin me is just like pissin off the wizard of Oz
Wrap a lizard in gauze beat you in the jaws with it
Grab the scissors and saws and
Cut out your livers gizzards and balls
Throw you in the middle of the ocean in the blizzard with jaws
So sip piss like sizzurp through a straw
Then describe how it tasted like dessert to us all
Got the gall to make Chris piss in his draws
Tickle him go to his grave, skip him and visit his dog

I don't even know who Sadistik is, but the amount of multis you put in a verse does not automatically make you better.

I've never seen that verse before but, judging purely on what's being said, I can tell you that it's not 'Distik, lol.

[Kez]

Yesterday my dog died, I hog tied a ho, tied her in a bow
Said next time you blow up try to spit a flow
You wanna criticize dog try a little mo
I'm so tired of this I could blow, fire in the hole
I'm fired up so fire up the lighter and the dro
Better hold on a little tighter here I go
Flows tighter, hot headed as ghostrider
Cold hearted as Spiderman throwin a spider in the snow
So ya better get lower than Flo-Rida inside of a lowrider with no tires in the hole
Why am I like this? why is winter cold
Why is it when I talk I'm so biased to the hoes
Listen dog Christmas is off this is as soft as it gets
This isnt golf this is a blisterin' assault
Those are your wounds this is the salt
So get lost
Shit dissin me is just like pissin off the wizard of Oz
Wrap a lizard in gauze beat you in the jaws with it
Grab the scissors and saws and
Cut out your livers gizzards and balls
Throw you in the middle of the ocean in the blizzard with jaws
So sip piss like sizzurp through a straw
Then describe how it tasted like dessert to us all
Got the gall to make Chris piss in his draws
Tickle him go to his grave, skip him and visit his dog

I don't even know who Sadistik is, but the amount of multis you put in a verse does not automatically make you better.

I've never seen that verse before but, judging purely on what's being said, I can tell you that it's not 'Distik, lol.

lmao it's an Em verse, my point was that just quoting an Em verse and highlighting every multi really aint a good enough argument.

[Drug.Ballad]

Yesterday my dog died, I hog tied a ho, tied her in a bow
Said next time you blow up try to spit a flow
You wanna criticize dog try a little mo
I'm so tired of this I could blow, fire in the hole
I'm fired up so fire up the lighter and the dro
Better hold on a little tighter here I go
Flows tighter, hot headed as ghostrider
Cold hearted as Spiderman throwin a spider in the snow
So ya better get lower than Flo-Rida inside of a lowrider with no tires in the hole
Why am I like this? why is winter cold
Why is it when I talk I'm so biased to the hoes
Listen dog Christmas is off this is as soft as it gets
This isnt golf this is a blisterin' assault
Those are your wounds this is the salt
So get lost
Shit dissin me is just like pissin off the wizard of Oz
Wrap a lizard in gauze beat you in the jaws with it
Grab the scissors and saws and
Cut out your livers gizzards and balls
Throw you in the middle of the ocean in the blizzard with jaws
So sip piss like sizzurp through a straw
Then describe how it tasted like dessert to us all
Got the gall to make Chris piss in his draws
Tickle him go to his grave, skip him and visit his dog

I don't even know who Sadistik is, but the amount of multis you put in a verse does not automatically make you better.

Thanks Menzo.
@Kez, it was a verse i brought up earlier (Menzo helped higlight the rhymes) to argue against Class.Class said that 'Nothing Eminem creates can compare quality wise or quantity wise'. When compared to the verse Class posted, Eminem definately is better lyrically than Sadistik. Both on quantity and quality. Ive already said that On Fire is not one of my favourite songs, but you cant argue that this isnt impressive lyric wise.

I also said On Fire because of the flow Eminem uses and his delievery, as Class said 'His flow is extremely sloppy, he awkwardly places his rhymes all over the bar causing him to sound off beat'. He wasnt off beat at all.

Oh and this is one of the best beats on Recovery, its not a 'pop' beat and theres nothing 'cringe-worthy' about it.

On Fire beat > Absolution beat
Absolution is so damn annoying.

[GenePeer]

Yesterday my dog died, I hog tied a ho, tied her in a bow
Said next time you blow up try to spit a flow
You wanna criticize dog try a little mo
I'm so tired of this I could blow, fire in the hole
I'm fired up so fire up the lighter and the dro
Better hold on a little tighter here I go
Flows tighter, hot headed as ghostrider
Cold hearted as Spiderman throwin a spider in the snow
So ya better get lower than Flo-Rida inside of a lowrider with no tires in the hole
Why am I like this? why is winter cold
Why is it when I talk I'm so biased to the hoes
Listen dog Christmas is off this is as soft as it gets
This isnt golf this is a blisterin' assault
Those are your wounds this is the salt
So get lost
Shit dissin me is just like pissin off the wizard of Oz
Wrap a lizard in gauze beat you in the jaws with it
Grab the scissors and saws and
Cut out your livers gizzards and balls
Throw you in the middle of the ocean in the blizzard with jaws
So sip piss like sizzurp through a straw
Then describe how it tasted like dessert to us all
Got the gall to make Chris piss in his draws
Tickle him go to his grave, skip him and visit his dog

Am I doing it right? Quoting verse like everyone else. It's now in 10/15 posts in this page!

[classthe_king]

Sadistik's rhyming far surpasses Eminem's. Even old Em's..

I disagree with the flow, however. Yes, it's better than the new Em's.. But not the old. Sadistik's flow isn't perfect at all. He also suffers from, "Forgot to take away a syllable so that I could make another complete multi"-syndrome. He has gotten better, though.. That song he did with Spoon proved that his flow has improved dramatically.

I never said it was better than the old...the title clearly says current Eminem

Class, if you compared that Sadistik verse with Renegade or Lose Yourself...surely it'd be a much closer comparison.

You're really comparing it to On Fire? lol

She compared it to On Fire...not me. And again, how is Renegade or Lose Yourself current lmao

Yesterday my dog died, I hog tied a ho, tied her in a bow
Said next time you blow up try to spit a flow
You wanna criticize dog try a little mo
I'm so tired of this I could blow, fire in the hole
I'm fired up so fire up the lighter and the dro
Better hold on a little tighter here I go
Flows tighter, hot headed as ghostrider
Cold hearted as Spiderman throwin a spider in the snow
So ya better get lower than Flo-Rida inside of a lowrider with no tires in the hole
Why am I like this? why is winter cold
Why is it when I talk I'm so biased to the hoes
Listen dog Christmas is off this is as soft as it gets
This isnt golf this is a blisterin' assault
Those are your wounds this is the salt
So get lost
Shit dissin me is just like pissin off the wizard of Oz
Wrap a lizard in gauze beat you in the jaws with it
Grab the scissors and saws and
Cut out your livers gizzards and balls
Throw you in the middle of the ocean in the blizzard with jaws
So sip piss like sizzurp through a straw
Then describe how it tasted like dessert to us all
Got the gall to make Chris piss in his draws
Tickle him go to his grave, skip him and visit his dog

Are you really trying to say that all that shit rhymed

Eminembase's post is too long to reply to in my short time frame right now

@Eminemshow, you'er fucking retarded

[Devil'sAdvocate]

This is fucking stupid,i cant believe that class have fell off this bad with his trolling.

[classthe_king]

:laughing:

This is fucking stupid,i cant believe that class have fell off this bad with his trolling.

The best part is that I'm not trolling and if that's going to be your cop out for why you all lost the debate then whatever helps you sleep at night.

[classthe_king]

Flow:

I know you guys like to nut over Eminem's flow but I promise you, it's not good at all. Ask Block, Mc Maybe, Satire, anyone who makes a lot of Hip-Hop and knows a lot about it and they will tell you the same thing. His flow is extremely sloppy, he awkwardly places his rhymes all over the bar causing him to sound off beat, he'll place the middle of a sentence at the end of a bar, pause and then quickly rap the end of the sentence. This makes his flow extremely choppy and all over the place.

He does that on purpose though. It's not a mistake.

He's clearly trying to sound unpredictable and manic, if you're referring to recently.

But, he's always done that in the past too, ending a bar on half a word so that you have to listen for the next line and also to rhyme the first half of the word with the end of the following bar. A lot of rappers do that though, but it's intentional not a fuck-up. I don't agree that he sounds off-beat though (cover this later in post, end up agreeing kind of).

Like Em said, with his first two albums he was trying to catch-up with the beat. He really nailed it with The Eminem Show. But, I think some rappers who some would consider to have better flows - to me at least, sound like they're tryna catch-up with the beat and I think if there's one thing Em has mastered in various styles throughout his career, it's flow.

Not here to debate Sadistik vs. Em as I know nothing about Sadistik. But was just skimming and saw that, and you write it like it's a flaw as if an accident. Whether you like it or not is a separate discussion but, it's on purpose. That bit you said about him speeding up quickly as if to 'fit the bar' in I don't agree with how you put either... he is doing that lately but again, he's clearly switching between fast and slow and messing around with style...

It's not like he couldn't figure out how to fit the bar in so rushed it. Which is what I hear a lot of rappers do when a word doesn't fit or something. But he always manages to get the bars in, and fit a lot of conversation in bars and deliver it all naturally and with a structured (though often manic, these days) flow that intentionally bounces back and forth.

And I think when he does that it takes flow to a more interesting level, to give you the impression you don't know what he's gonna say next all the time. Again, whether it works or you think it sounds shit, or if he's predictable - not relevant to why he's doing it.

But personally, I'd much rather hear that (also does this on "Kill You" a lot) than the straightforward, 'chilled' or predictable flow of most. This is what makes Em sound unique from other rappers I think. Which is why The Marshall Mathers LP doesn't age, the flows are more like conversations so they don't sound corny over time, they sound quicker and sharper.

What he does lately is, well yes he does go off-beat because he normally creates these flows in his head and lately doesn't really seem to care what beat he's on, as he'll just apply the flow anyway and he seems to more-so think his flow is more important than the beat. Like it's literally a subtle and insignificant backdrop. So yes technically he is going off-beat I guess. But because of the fact he always has some kind of 'head structure' to his flow, it never sounds odd to me, and always sounds rhythmically on time to my ears. Whether directly with the beat or not.

But this is the problem with other people producing for Em or, with these 'fuller' beats Em is rapping over. Which is why The Eminem Show flows are so good and his voice 'becomes' the beat, because they're his beats, which he molded around the flows in his head. So they fit perfectly to his rhythm and direction.

I'm not saying that you can't do all that stuff, because Sadistik does switch up his flows a lot too

"And this time (pause)I'll just try my (pause) luck
Surrounded by these masks like it's eyes wide (pause) shut
And I might (pause) jump ship or I flip like it's my live (pause) bus
So I try (pause) trust with (pause) how it was or( pause) how it is"

Eminem just doesn't sound well when he does it, whether it was intentional or not.

PS. Do you mean... that Eminem's CURRENT flows only are off-beat and messy or do you mean, Eminem's flow in general as in, Eminem's past flows too?

Everything I said was about current Eminem