Wayne's problem recently

[FreeSpeech]

He admitted recently he doesn't make concept songs or know what he says, and said Kanye does or something. He just says random shit. Say what you want about old Wayne, but C3 and back he was always on topic. If he was talking about Katrina, he talked about Katrina. If he was talking about girls, he talked about girls.

Now? How To Love is honestly the only coherent song he's done, and I doubt he wrote it.

Listen to She Will, which I love musically. Wayne's lyrics? Psuedo-deep wordplay on life. Hook by Drake? Girls. The hook and verses have ZERO relation. I wish Drake had done this whole song and put it on Take Care, damn.

[FreeSpeech]

What are you expecting out of YM?

That's the stupidest argument. Like I said, most all of Wayne's old stuff had a point/lyrical theme. Everything Drake does stays on topic, he's actually a very good songwriter. Wayne nowadays just babbles.

[EyeSpick]

Yeah because Wayne has always been praised for his conceptual genius.

[FreeSpeech]

Yeah because Wayne has always been praised for his conceptual genius.

How did I say that at all? His old stuff like Tie My Hands or Miss My Dawgs had very strong themes, and his more generic shit still made sense and stayed on topic.

All the new Young Money shit really hurts his legacy. Before Carter 3, he got very little hate. He was never a great lyricist, but he was a phenomenal entertainer and his music banged. C3 I liked for the most part, but it gave way to his new era of wackness.

C and C2 are both very strong albums.

[FreeSpeech]

What are you expecting out of YM?

That's the stupidest argument. Like I said, most all of Wayne's old stuff had a point/lyrical theme. Everything Drake does stays on topic, he's actually a very good songwriter. Wayne nowadays just babbles.

I don't see an argument at all. It seems we both agree Wayne sucks.

I'm just saying it isn't YM, it's Wayne. Drake is killing the (mainstream) game right now. Nicki, IDGAF but she does her thing I guess.

And people forget how dope and different YMCMB used to be before they became Lil Twist and Lil Chuckee's babysitting service. Drake is the only real good artist they have anymore, unless C4 turns out great somehow.

[EyeSpick]

Yeah because Wayne has always been praised for his conceptual genius.

How did I say that at all? His old stuff like Tie My Hands or Miss My Dawgs had very strong themes, and his more generic shit still made sense and stayed on topic.

All the new Young Money shit really hurts his legacy. Before Carter 3, he got very little hate. He was never a great lyricist, but he was a phenomenal entertainer and his music banged. C3 I liked for the most part, but it gave way to his new era of wackness.

C and C2 are both very strong albums.

Alright, follow me now. Wayne has always been worshiped not for his conceptual shit but what he's doing on every track at the moment.

[FreeSpeech]

Yeah because Wayne has always been praised for his conceptual genius.

How did I say that at all? His old stuff like Tie My Hands or Miss My Dawgs had very strong themes, and his more generic shit still made sense and stayed on topic.

All the new Young Money shit really hurts his legacy. Before Carter 3, he got very little hate. He was never a great lyricist, but he was a phenomenal entertainer and his music banged. C3 I liked for the most part, but it gave way to his new era of wackness.

C and C2 are both very strong albums.

Alright, follow me now. Wayne has always been worshiped not for his conceptual shit but what he's doing on every track at the moment.

I'm 87% sure you're be retarded.

You're first comment was sarcastic, and didn't need to be, so I addressed it.

And no I don't follow, WTF are you saying? "Doing on every track at the moment" WHAT? What does that mean? He's praised because he (used to) just spit, had a great flow, and had fairly simple metaphors and punches that were appealing. He also used to have great production and songwriting. IDK if you realize this, but he wasn't the go-to rapper to hate on until the last 3 years, he used to be unstoppable.

[EyeSpick]

Honestly he's a rapper for the mainstream to praise, the underground people to hate, and the "hip-hop heads" to say is good so they seem smarter than the underground people. Wayne is about as amazing as Pimp C.

[FreeSpeech]

Honestly he's a rapper for the mainstream to praise, the underground people to hate, and the "hip-hop heads" to say is good so they seem smarter than the underground people. Wayne is about as amazing as Pimp C.

SMH people segregate shit too much, just listen to music damn.

And he's nothing like Pimp C lol that's a stupid comparison. My retard certainty level is at 91.4% now

[Devil'sAdvocate]

Wayne was never good.

he made catchy tracks but was never a good rapper.

[FreeSpeech]

Wayne was never good.

he made catchy tracks but was never a good rapper.

Yes. He was, and that's a fact. He was never a GOAT lyricist, but as rapper? He was good as hell.

This forum is so stuck up on multis/punchlines, no. He was good, arguably great. By this forum's standards, Biggie and Pac were shit. You might not personally like Wayne, but he was very good. He now is not.

[FreeSpeech]

This forum is so stuck up on multis/punchlines, no.

All Wayne does is punchlines. Even if you dont factor in multies or any actual rap skill at all, Wayne has never been good IMO.

You obviously haven't listened to his old shit, it never used to be based on punchlines. The first two Carters had very few punchlines. All he does NOW is punchlines, and shitty ones. He used to just spit raw, and was sick with it. He WAS raw, when he used to still fuck with his neighborhood and was with Juvenile and all the old NO dudes instead of current Young Money.

[mdemaz]

Wayne's problem RECENTLY?

[The Shady Virus]

Alright, follow me now. Wayne has always been worshiped not for his conceptual shit but what he's doing on every track at the moment.

I agree with this.

[The Shady Virus]

You obviously haven't listened to his old shit, it never used to be based on punchlines. The first two Carters had very few punchlines. All he does NOW is punchlines, and shitty ones. He used to just spit raw, and was sick with it. He WAS raw, when he used to still fuck with his neighborhood and was with Juvenile and all the old NO dudes instead of current Young Money.

His stuff didn't sell when it was good. Kids these days don't know what good music is. That would be the answer to your original post. Kanye West is doing the same thing IMO. His first 3 albums were fire...then he dropped 808 and that dark twisted fantasy shit and is now being praised as one of the best when i personally think it's his worst work from a lyrical stand point.