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Re: I can't believe I'm saying this.

Postby Mr Change » Aug 31st, '11, 22:07

Master Chief wrote:He thinks Relapse is Em's best album tbh. So the answer is obvious.

I, on the other hand, believe Recovery is actually significantly better than Relapse. Even more so than I did a few weeks ago. What fucks Recovery up is the production and the lazy rhyming at times. His flow really wasn't bad at all, it was good, way better than on HTS. Won't Back Down's flow wasn't bad and I'm willing to debate that, it meshed with the beat perfectly. Given, Relapse flow > Recovery flow at times but it's close.

Recovery's replay value stomps on Relapse's too. Both of 'em have two classic Eminem tracks in GTC and Deja Vu though. Cannot decide which one is better anymore.


Yeah, I do firmly believe that Recovery was a step in the right direction for Em compared to Relapse :y:

Lyrics-Relapse
Flow-Relapse
Beats-Relapse
Emotion-Recovery
Variety-Recovery
Replay Value-Recovery
Consistency-Recovery
Sound-Recovery
Classic track-wise-Recovery

That's 3-6 Recovery for me
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Re: I can't believe I'm saying this.

Postby HereHere » Aug 31st, '11, 22:14

I like Relapse a lot more now than I did before, but you deserve to be shot for saying it comes anywhere near MMLP/TES.
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Re: I can't believe I'm saying this.

Postby EM-DZ » Aug 31st, '11, 22:33

Relapse top 4 Eminem albums
MMLP
SSLP
TES LP
Relapse
Dre beats :worship:
but accent :n:
we need Relapse 2 without accent and 100% Dre beat
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Re: I can't believe I'm saying this.

Postby Mathers » Aug 31st, '11, 22:37

Dysfunctional wrote:I never really got why everybody's hating on WMY & CAB.. I think they're both great tracks, better than most of Recovery imo.

They're far from greart tracks and better than what songs on Recovery?
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Re: I can't believe I'm saying this.

Postby Mr Change » Aug 31st, '11, 22:39

EM-DZ wrote:Relapse top 4 Eminem albums
MMLP
SSLP
TES LP
Relapse
Dre beats :worship:
but accent :n:
we need Relapse 2 without accent and 100% Dre beat


Sadly, and I know I haven't shown kindness to the accent, but Relapse without accent wouldn't be Relapse lol

When I am in the mood for Relapse-type tracks, I want the accent. Otherwise I want different tracks with no accent.
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Re: I can't believe I'm saying this.

Postby Trimss » Aug 31st, '11, 22:43

Menzo wrote:Relapse sucked. I snapped, hit the gas...


I always thought he said "hit a bunch of black guys" right after that line.
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Re: I can't believe I'm saying this.

Postby TommiTMX » Aug 31st, '11, 22:44

You know what I think I like most about Relapse? It's something you touched on in the original post, the fact that it's what HE wanted to do. I still believe he enjoyed the other music he made but something about the BME EP and Relapse seemed more, relaxed.

Either way I'm not too critical and enjoy most music if it has a nice flow and I'm in the right mood for it :happy:
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Re: I can't believe I'm saying this.

Postby Mr Change » Aug 31st, '11, 22:50

I honestly think he is really more satisfied with Recovery.

I know, it's easy to say that he's being told to say some of this stuff and put down Relapse or w/e, but in that interview that someone posted in this thread when he's talkin' about the difference in Relapse & Recovery I think he actually means it. Like how he talks about how he went back and listened to some of his classic stuff when making Recovery :y:
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Haters started to appreciate my art
And it just breaks my heart to look at all the pain I caused
But what am I gonna do when the rage is gone?
And the lights go out in that trailer park?"
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Re: I can't believe I'm saying this.

Postby JakeBlack » Aug 31st, '11, 23:12

GoinThruChanges wrote:I honestly think he is really more satisfied with Recovery.

I know, it's easy to say that he's being told to say some of this stuff and put down Relapse or w/e, but in that interview that someone posted in this thread when he's talkin' about the difference in Relapse & Recovery I think he actually means it. Like how he talks about how he went back and listened to some of his classic stuff when making Recovery :y:

He explains it better in this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?nomobile=1&v=YQmrOqQJRBg
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Re: I can't believe I'm saying this.

Postby ColdWindCriminal » Aug 31st, '11, 23:22

Master Chief wrote:N.iggas is mad saying Relapse is even in Em's Top 3.

What is this epidemic of Relapse being Em's best album and getting 5/5's coming from? An album with We Made You, Crack a Bottle and Medicine Ball is not deserving of such recognition. Not to mention filler like Beautiful and Old Time's Sake.

Probably because everyone has different opinions:
here's my top 8 (counting D12 albums):

1.The Marshall Mathers LP
2.The Eminem Show
3.The Slim Shady LP
4.Devil's Night
5.Relapse
6.Recovery
7.D12 World
8.Encore
although the first four Em albums and Devil's Night are the only ones I've listened to all the way through
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Re: I can't believe I'm saying this.

Postby Mr Change » Aug 31st, '11, 23:33

JakeBlack wrote:
GoinThruChanges wrote:I honestly think he is really more satisfied with Recovery.

I know, it's easy to say that he's being told to say some of this stuff and put down Relapse or w/e, but in that interview that someone posted in this thread when he's talkin' about the difference in Relapse & Recovery I think he actually means it. Like how he talks about how he went back and listened to some of his classic stuff when making Recovery :y:

He explains it better in this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?nomobile=1&v=YQmrOqQJRBg


dude thanks i'd seen bits and pieces of that interview but never the part where he addresses the change from Relapse to Recovery :y:

He really explains about what was goin through his head and how he went back and listened to some of his old tracks he felt like used to feel like somethin

“Songs that just used to feel like something’, you know
And Relapse had a lot of slippin’ in and out of characters and accents
And playin’ different, you know, serial killer and this and that
Which I feel like was cool but it started to get to the point were
‘Ok, I need to do something’ different, because I’m startin’ to run this in the ground.’”
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Haters started to appreciate my art
And it just breaks my heart to look at all the pain I caused
But what am I gonna do when the rage is gone?
And the lights go out in that trailer park?"
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Re: I can't believe I'm saying this.

Postby Alex2012 » Sep 1st, '11, 00:02

an article in the NY Times about Relapse
I love this article because it explains almost exactly how and why Relapse.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/24/arts/ ... wanted=all

if you have forgotten what was in this article, it's very interesting.

for lazy people
but you should read all.
it speaks about Insane, Beautiful and others..


Far from concealing his addiction battle, he’s making it the center of his comeback. The cover of “Relapse” (Shady/Aftermath/Interscope), the first new Eminem album since 2004, builds his face out of pills, and in some songs he raps, as directly as a rhymer can, about how drugs nearly destroyed him. Elsewhere on the album Eminem resumes — or relapses into — his main alter ego, Slim Shady: the sneering, clownish, paranoid, homophobic, celebrity-stalking compulsive rapist and serial killer who plays his exploits for queasy laughs and mass popularity.


“Relapse” clings to the formula of its predecessors: it’s partly truth and partly fiction, with personal revelations and sociopathic farce side by side.


“It’s hard core, it’s dark comedy, it’s what Eminem has always been,” said Dr. Dre, his longtime producer, by telephone from his studio in the San Fernando Valley of Southern California.


Now, a decade into his major-label career, “I’m done explaining it,” he said. “Here’s my music. Here’s what it is. Get what you get from it. I didn’t get in this game to be a role model.”


Both Eminem and Dr. Dre thought hard about how Eminem should re-emerge. And both concluded that the world wanted more Slim Shady. “I talked to my son about it,” said Dr. Dre, “and he was like: ‘The kids want to hear him act the fool. We want to hear him be crazy, we want to hear him be Slim Shady and nothing else.’ ”


“Once he makes a painting, once he lays a lyric down, it’s impossible to get him to change it,” Dr. Dre said. “If there’s a couple of lines he says on a record that’s not relevant today, it’s, ‘No, that was that painting. That was for that moment.’ “


Dom Theodore, vice-president for Top 40 pop programming at CBS Radio, had mixed expectations for “Relapse” because Eminem’s hits had always been his humorous ones. “This album tends to be a little darker,” he said. “It’s still edgy, but not in a fun way. But I’d never write him off. You’d be hard pressed to find someone more talented.”
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Re: I can't believe I'm saying this.

Postby Devil'sAdvocate » Sep 1st, '11, 00:05

GoinThruChanges wrote:Yeah, I do firmly believe that Recovery was a step in the right direction for Em compared to Relapse :y:

Lyrics-Relapse
Flow-Relapse
Beats-Relapse
Emotion-Recovery
Variety-Recovery
Replay Value-Recovery
Consistency-Recovery
Sound-Recovery
Classic track-wise-Recovery

That's 3-6 Recovery for me


bolded ones are hip hop.

as for emotion: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH aint emotion.

Relapse never gets old to me,something interesting everytime i listen,not so much with recovery.

Variety: both very variable.

Consistency: Relapse by a mile

Sound is the same as beats so relapse

Classic tracks on Relapse are more than recovery.
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Re: I can't believe I'm saying this.

Postby Devil'sAdvocate » Sep 1st, '11, 00:16

#DONTDEBATEMEONMYOPINIONDOE!

oh well,at least me and you try making this forum love relapse ma nikka!
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Re: I can't believe I'm saying this.

Postby Graphic » Sep 1st, '11, 00:36

TES = MMLP > SSLP > Relapse. But I love Relapse, lol.
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