Someone explain to me what a "forced" rhyme is.

[Sam.]

Someone explain to me what a "forced" rhyme is.

Just listen to any Crooked I verse.

Or some Sadistik's songs for that matter.

[Sam.]

Natural multi > Forced multi .
Even though both are not noticeable that easily but if you listen carefully a "Forced Multi" does seem outta context .

[I'mShady]

Who gives a shit though, if it sounds good then it sounds good .. for example, when Eminem made "great" rhymes with "need" it sounded bad .. but in The Warning verse the "you think I'm scurred of you" was great, No Apologies "with every ly-RIC spitted" also sounded great.

People are paying to much attention to the details and are ignoring the sound tbh.

Yeah, we all need to suck Kanye's balls for giving mostly lazy lyrics and fantastic beats.

[SliK]

Eminem was about 22 when he dropped Infinite and had been into hip hop since he was 13.

Nas dropped Illmatic, arguably the best hip hop album of all time, when he was 18.

[Devil'sAdvocate]

Eminem was about 22 when he dropped Infinite and had been into hip hop since he was 13.

Nas dropped Illmatic, arguably the best hip hop album of all time, when he was 18.

[Sam.]

Who gives a shit though, if it sounds good then it sounds good .. for example, when Eminem made "great" rhymes with "need" it sounded bad .. but in The Warning verse the "you think I'm scurred of you" was great, No Apologies "with every ly-RIC spitted" also sounded great.

People are paying to much attention to the details and are ignoring the sound tbh.

Yeah, we all need to suck Kanye's balls for giving mostly lazy lyrics and fantastic beats.

Where did he mention Kanye or anything related to him ? he is purely talking about not bothering the forced rhyme and just enjoying the whole thing .

[I'mShady]

Who gives a shit though, if it sounds good then it sounds good .. for example, when Eminem made "great" rhymes with "need" it sounded bad .. but in The Warning verse the "you think I'm scurred of you" was great, No Apologies "with every ly-RIC spitted" also sounded great.

People are paying to much attention to the details and are ignoring the sound tbh.

Yeah, we all need to suck Kanye's balls for giving mostly lazy lyrics and fantastic beats.

And that everything to do with my post blivious:

I remember the time (ain't long, about 3 months ago) when I got too caught up in this wannabe Hip Hop head game and I thought a rapper that doesn't have atleast five 5+ syllable multi in each of his tracks is a bad artist or that atleast is a bad track .. I gotta be thankful that great artists AND rappers like Kanye, Slug and Kno opened my eyes (Not saying their rhyming is bad, lmao)

Late Registration is lyrically the best Kanye album .. you can see how lyrical Kanye gets in that album, definitely his best imo .. it's not my favorite though. *shrug

OHHH MAN.... Not this shit again. We had this conversation. It was MORE than enough.
Late Registration is a masterpiece PERIOD. I'm not hating on anyone. For the millionth time, I'm just saying that the whole "artistry" in hip-hop thing takes away from the MCing. Just look at J. Cole's album. Fucking Brilliant. BUT if he didn't concentrate too much on creating the whole thing, the album would have been much better. Just look at the professional reviews of Cole World: The Sideline Story. It's all 3.5/5, while it could have been mucchhhhh more. Everyone is saying how he could have profited on the fact that he IS signed to Jay-Z and he could have had beats from everyone like Just Blaze, Kanye, NO ID and shit, and that would have propeled the album to where it really belongs
Kanye is one of the few rappers who can do this and STILL have acceptable lyrics. And to be honest it doesn't matter because he is Motherfucking Kanye West, he will sell whatever he puts out no matter what. The lyrics were, aren't right now, and should be the #1 element of hip-hop. Illmatic would have been all that even without the beats from Premo, Large Prof, Pete Rock.
I mean we reached the point where we have people like Lil B around. Trust me, I'm ashamed of listening to rap because of this dude. What he does is totaly unexeptable no matter what. They way he can't stay on beat, and the bullshit he talks about makes me pick up the mic, seriously...
Ok, I'm a bit off topic but I think after this we will understand each other much better.

[Slim Fiasco]

Eminem was about 22 when he dropped Infinite and had been into hip hop since he was 13.

Nas dropped Illmatic, arguably the best hip hop album of all time, when he was 18.

Nas was 20 and had been into Hip-Hop since he was 8, Em's 12th year was when he was 25 and that's when he made The Slim Shady LP, so even though Nas' fit was more impressive that doesn't really mean anything.

[SliK]

Eminem was about 22 when he dropped Infinite and had been into hip hop since he was 13.

Nas dropped Illmatic, arguably the best hip hop album of all time, when he was 18.

Nas was 20 and had been into Hip-Hop since he was 8, Em's 12th year was when he was 25 and that's when he made The Slim Shady LP, so even though Nas' fit was more impressive that doesn't really mean anything.

It was released in 94 but recorded on 92 and 93. So let me rephrase: Nas wrote and recorded Illmatic, arguably the best hip hop album of all time, when he was 18.

And Nas' feat was more impressive but that doesn't really mean anything? Ok then... Eminem's follow up album was more impressive than It Was Written but that doesn't really mean anything. Can you not understand HOW impressive it is for an eighteen year old to pen Illmatic? That really does mean something, to me at least. And judging by the succes of the album, it means something to most of the hip hop community. Illmatic is ten times better than SSLP and one hundred times better than Infinite.

[Slim Fiasco]

Eminem was about 22 when he dropped Infinite and had been into hip hop since he was 13.

Nas dropped Illmatic, arguably the best hip hop album of all time, when he was 18.

Nas was 20 and had been into Hip-Hop since he was 8, Em's 12th year was when he was 25 and that's when he made The Slim Shady LP, so even though Nas' fit was more impressive that doesn't really mean anything.

It was released in 94 but recorded on 92 and 93. So let me rephrase: Nas wrote and recorded Illmatic, arguably the best hip hop album of all time, when he was 18.

And Nas' feat was more impressive but that doesn't really mean anything? Ok then... Eminem's follow up album was more impressive than It Was Written but that doesn't really mean anything. Can you not understand HOW impressive it is for an eighteen year old to pen Illmatic? That really does mean something, to me at least. And judging by the succes of the album, it means something to most of the hip hop community. Illmatic is ten times better than SSLP and one hundred times better than Infinite.

I think that outside Halftime most of the album was made in '93 when he was 19-20 but that doesn't make it any less impressive, yes.

But anyway, let me state that I'm a fan of Nas and I do agree that Illmatic is the greatest Hip-Hop album. What I meant is that the quality of a product or feat isn't defined by how impressive it is. Like, I'm impressed that Durant became the youngest leading scorer in the NBA but his 30 ppg aren't better than Jordan's 37ppg, an achievement he made at an older age. So basically, what makes Illmatic better or worse than The Slim Shady LP isn't the age of the artists when they made them. Not that it's a worthless point though, I actually do throw that in when I'm discussing the greatness of Illmatic I just don't think that it's that important. And I'm sorry but Illmatic being 10 times better than TSSLP is an overstatement to say the least.

[SliK]

I see what you're saying and I agree to an extent, I think MMLP is better than Illmatic to be honest but when it comes to albums of that caliber there is minimal difference as far as impact/skill/critical acclaim and it comes down to things like relatibility to the individual because they are both undeniable classics.

I only meant at 18-20 years of age people haven't even fully matured. Look at Drake, he was (arguably) making good music but it wasn't close to Illmatic. Granted, they had different upbringings and Nas probably had to "grow up" a lot faster than most people growing up where he did. I just mean for an 18, 19, 20 year old kid to create something of that magnitude is unheard of. I was only comparing it to infinite because I consider Eminem the GOAT but at 18 Eminem was probably still rhyming about "N****rs" (and I mean no disrespect when I use that term) because he was dumped by one (I know that was years before, but that's still the frame of mind he was in at that age), or forcing rhymes for the sake of rhyming and had no real artistic vision. However at a much younger age Nas had created a true work of art. It was lightyears ahead of its time and almost 20 years later only a handful of albums can be compared to it. I certainly wasn't dissing Eminem, it was more a compliment to Nas because I was comparing him to someone I consider the GOAT.

[Slim Fiasco]

I see what you're saying and I agree to an extent, I think MMLP is better than Illmatic to be honest but when it comes to albums of that caliber there is minimal difference as far as impact/skill/critical acclaim and it comes down to things like relatibility to the individual because they are both undeniable classics.

I only meant at 18-20 years of age people haven't even fully matured. Look at Drake, he was (arguably) making good music but it wasn't close to Illmatic. Granted, they had different upbringings and Nas probably had to "grow up" a lot faster than most people growing up where he did. I just mean for an 18, 19, 20 year old kid to create something of that magnitude is unheard of. I was only comparing it to infinite because I consider Eminem the GOAT but at 18 Eminem was probably still rhyming about "N****rs" (and I mean no disrespect when I use that term) because he was dumped by one (I know that was years before, but that's still the frame of mind he was in at that age), or forcing rhymes for the sake of rhyming and had no real artistic vision. However at a much younger age Nas had created a true work of art. It was lightyears ahead of its time and almost 20 years later only a handful of albums can be compared to it. I certainly wasn't dissing Eminem, it was more a compliment to Nas because I was comparing him to someone I consider the GOAT.

Gotcha, and yeah I can agree with that. Which reminds me of Rakim, Big L, Biggie and Pac who also created amazing pieces of art at such an early age. Truly remarkable indeed.

[Devil'sAdvocate]

I dont really get effected by anybody's opinion but Illmatic is not 70% the album SSLP is.