Name presents: The RED Album's case

[Almostlity]

And that's a wrap ladies and gentlemen

[SliK]

C4 is garbage though, not creative at all. It was banging and each song is ok but the album lacks substance and creativity. Each Carter album has got worse imo. Yes I rate The Carter higher than The Carter II. On C4 Tech and Nas both had better verses than Wayne on any song and Wayne wasn't even on the track with either of them.

I don't think WTT sucked, but when they were both released I liked RED more but found WTT had more replay value. WTT lacked content too, I think Jay and Ye are capable of more than what they gave us but it was a good album nonetheless.

[NextEpisode]

Really?...


(1) First you say...

only critic they give is their personal opinion delivered as a fact

Then you say...

In every way possible, each one of these albums is better than RED.

(2)

Of course, being the typical Aftermath Bros' fan, he'll get biased and judge the (in his opinion) best Aftermath album the album of the year.

Obvious case of hate. First, calling Jay-Z a camel, it's a common comparison done by his fan but looking at this case, Game dissed Jay-Z occasionally for attention.

Third, no Game fan is ever allowed to call everyone else boring, really.

Indeed, the guy your quoting, is far from objective. But I'd say your quite biased & arrogant yourself.

[NextEpisode]

This isn't an opinion, it is a fact. Speaking technically, of course. Technically, each one of these albums is better than RED album in every way possible, unless you prefer it yourself. Technicalities includes creativity, subject matters, flows, beats, lyricism and other shit like that.

Preferences is another story.

(i) First of all, you said "in every way"..., First when questioned, you say "Speaking technically, of course"... Talk about Ad hoc...

(ii) A fact? It is a fact that WTT is a #1 album. It's also a fact that WTT has scanned over 1 million copies in the US. Can you measure the beats/flows/creativity between albums, to conclude one is better than the other, no. It may be the general consus that those albums are better technichally, maybe, but not a fact.

That is true, the stans on Aftermath is incredible.

Generalizing at its finest. What about YMCM & Maybach, Shady?

That is true, RED put me to sleep along with most people. He's the same as Immortal Technique.

In your case, yes. But to say every Game fan can't... is just naive & stupid.

[DanWS]

Goblin sucked though. Disappointing as fuck.

The first half of RED was very good. The 2nd half was so-so.

[stillmatic]

Personally, Game's album was the most disappointing for me this year. It was still a very solid effort, but it came off as such a forced effort where he tried to blend in so many coastal styles and sounds into one West Coast effort. It's his least West Coast sounding album, and easily his weakest.

The worst thing about it was something that's been a flaw in Game's style for years, but on this go round it was on turbo-boost, that is his inability to be himself when he's on a track with a different artist, he always tries to imitate them and mix the song around the featured artist. No 'cuz, they're on your song, let them adjust. Why was he trying to sound like Jeezy? Ross? Andre 3000? Tyler? The second big issue was him trying to get anybody that's popping on it, and it lead to such a disjointed and unbalanced release. I could bet my life I could easily determine exactly when each song was made, such as the Big Boi track being recorded soon after Shutterbug came out. Or the mixtape songs with B.o.B being around after Airplanes.

However, Game's album being not as good as it should have been doesn't make the other albums released any better. Carter IV came off as just a big budget Hollywood popcorn flick with zero heart, and the fact that Wayne didn't even write some of the hits from the album show how badly they just wanted a hit. Fwiw. there was a lot of gang talk on Carter IV too, only difference is Game's seemed believable. Take Care was a hip hop version of The Days of our lives, with some good songs but overall such a soft and bleak effort, with so many uncomfortable lines about love and women, probably recorded when Drake was menstruating. I mean for example, he turned arguably a top 3 Cash Money song of all time in Back dat azz up into a ballad. WTT was great, and easily better than RED, but it did come off as a package of great songs than an album. Same goes for Jeezy, but I haven't heard that properly yet.

Kendrick and Danny had the albums most worth listening to.

[Spyder]

havent listened to any of the albums

gaurentee what i listen to is better doe

[Trimss]

I think you didn't leave us any chance of replying something that you haven't said, thus I won't say anything.

It's all about what you like anyway, if I like an album then fuck what everyone else thinks. I'll defend it, say why I like it and that ends there.

I liked the first half from RED, the second being average/good except Pot Of Gold (Chris brown did a fabulous chorus right there)

By the way, Carter IV is not a top 3 album of the year musically, nigga please.

[J.R.]

Say what you want, RED is decent imo..But Radioactive is dope as hell..don't know what the hell you're listening to.

[deaneedog]

Stopped reading when you said lil gayne was good lol lol lol.

[12characters]

By the way, Carter IV is not a top 3 album of the year musically, ***** please.

What would you rather bump in your car or just randomly click for musical enjoyment, The Carter IV or Section.80?

Section.80 but neither are really ideal for that situation. Section.80 isn't for obvious reasons but the Carter IV wasn't really executed well bar a few dope songs. Plenty of better tapes from this year , musically doe.

































On a side note, I like this tape.

[Jdubem]

Game's Documentary > every Jay z album except reasonable doubt. Jay z is overrated tbh. He doesnt come close to topping em, big, pac, or even nas and only reason he is even in the discussion is because he has released more albums than any of them. However its quality > quantity sadly for Jay z.

[12characters]

or even nas

I disagree with the "even", he should be the first choice.

I can't back up my preference of Jay-Z over Nas since they're pretty matched up, but I can justify in my personal opinion, that Jay-Z's tracks are more interesting

I feel you, but honestly I think it can be argued that Nas > Jay rather than them being even because I think Nas is better than Jay in more aspects than Jay over Nas. Not implying Jay sucks doe.

[Jdubem]

Game's Documentary > every Jay z album except reasonable doubt. Jay z is overrated tbh. He doesnt come close to topping em, big, pac, or even nas and only reason he is even in the discussion is because he has released more albums than any of them. However its quality > quantity sadly for Jay z.

Elaborate. In a technical side, what you said didn't mean shit. I can go and say Eminem is overrated and Graduation > Eminem's discography and the only reason Eminem's even in discussion is because he's white.

Did that make a difference? Didn't think so.

Game's Documentary > every Jay z album except reasonable doubt.

Yeah, right. Implying Documentary is better than The Black Album, American Gangster, The Blueprint I and II, and even Watch The Throne.

With the exception of Game's gangsta lyrics and banging Dre beats. Jay-Z is lyrically better, has better content, rides the beat better, more creative concepts, unmatchable double/triple/even quadruple entendres, better soul beats and non-bass-heavy production overall, rhymes better (hate to brag about rhymes though), poetic and on-point choice of words and sick metaphors and he does EVERYTHING that Game does better except getting bumped in cars and clubs. That's all what matters for our typical Aftermath fan though.

Not to mention creativity, once you heard one Game song you heard all. Even Jay-Z's new tracks (except Kingdom Come) are different.

He doesnt come close to topping em

That's more opinion based, but I prefer Jay-Z's poem-lyrics over Eminem's rhyming comedic insanity, because Jay-Z says more.

big

You mean the dude Jay-Z himself Renegaded on Brooklyn's Finest? Ok, I'll ignore that.

pac

I guess you can say Pac has them poem-like lyrics as well but Jay-Z executes them in a more interesting way, and isn't repetitive on the production, more innovative with flows and a better artist and a rhymer overall

Pac has his awesome delivery over Jay-Z, even though Jay-Z has a top 5 delivery in Hip Hop, but Pac's #1 in terms of that.

or even nas

I disagree with the "even", he should be the first choice.

I can't back up my preference of Jay-Z over Nas since they're pretty matched up, but I can justify in my personal opinion, that Jay-Z's tracks are more interesting

Yeah except my claim has merit. Documentary is a perfectly executed album. I'll give you jay z's world play and rhyming, but I fail to see how his lyricism and creativity sets him apart. Jay z pretty much stays on message of his rise in being a gangster, his regret in having to become one, how hes made so much money in the rap game, and him bragging about how awesome he is. As far as creativity and innovation are concerned he leaves something to be desired. Eminem's lyrics actually have that, but you instead characterize that as simple "comedic insanity". I believe that is downplaying his genius just a bit. Nas also earns points ahead of jay z here. Illmatic is more innovative as the first real lyrical street album ever and beats any album jay z has ever done.

And how can you say jay z is better than biggie? Biggie was the undisputed king of New York before he died. This was when jay z was in his prime too. Biggie just had the better flow, lyricsm, and overall charisma. I mean he was just Big Poppa and jay z couldnt top that. Jay z owes a lot of his success amd fame to Biggie's death. Had biggie lived on my predicition is that jay z would have always been in his shadow.

And 2pac just simply had more to him than jay z did. What I mean is he had that unrelenting attitude and willingness to speak about whatever he felt like. He held nothing back and as a result had a more diverse subject matter than jay. And when Pac spoke up you listened. i just dont think that Jay z's songs make that type of impact. His delivery is alright, but a bit monotonous. I wish he'd switch it up more. That and his fairly monotonous themes are why Im not a huge fan.

[mdemaz]