Name presents: The RED Album's case

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*name* bro, can you show me some double entendres by Jay? Just out of curiosity.

(I like jay, this isn't a provocative question lol)

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As far as creativity and innovation are concerned he leaves something to be desired. Eminem's lyrics actually have that, but you instead characterize that as simple "comedic insanity". I believe that is downplaying his genius just a bit.

What does Eminem rap about?
1-Makes funny, shocking and story-telling tracks
2-Makes tracks about his life
3-Makes love songs
4-One track fully focused on politics (White America)

That's it, no matter how AWESOME is his tracks, that's almost all what he raps about. #1 includes all his greatest tracks like Role Model, Criminal, Brain Damage, I'm Shady, etc. #2 includes The Way I Am, Marshall Mathers, etc. #3 includes tracks like Drug Ballad, Love You More and shit.

But what makes Eminem so great? It's his execution .. Same thing that I said above.

Not 100% true. Although his signature execution is very important to to his success and quality, so are his concepts. Although you could group them into those 4 groups, you neglect to mention that his story telling aspect is so wide that it rivals most artists entire discography. Actually their should even be a 5th aspect, Shock Value. Songs like Cold Wind Blows, On Fire, Some SSLP era songs like Hellbound and even Underground, are not really telling a story and are just rhyming (but no way is it just non-sense, it's still makes sense in one way or another).

[Jdubem]

The Documentary isnt boring. I never said it was an awesomely creative lyrical album, but Game does have a nice delivery, he changes the subject matter up enough to keep it entertaining, his name dropping was still fresh back then plus im not saying he didnt benefit from features with 50.. yeah and the beats are sick.

Lets face it though Jay z's American Gangster doesnt have outstanding creative lyrical content either. I mean its the same stuff he was rapping about in reasonable doubt. Doesnt mean that he still cant find ways to present it and execute it reasonably well, but you cant attribute that to his lyricism or say he has awesome creative concepts because there is none. The concepts are basically the same. Lyrically there isnt much of a difference between albums and the only difference seems to be that he is doing it with somewhat less passion and energy than with his first one.

Yeah and those are some pretty broad lyrical subject matters you made up to make it seem like Em doesnt switch it up that much. Way I am and When Im gone are completely different yet both are about his life. I wonder what percentage of Jay z songs would fall under the category of his life? Probably more than eminem so whats your point? Also em brought a new lyrical style to the table that was previously unheard of in the mainstream and popularized it. Jay z cant say the same because his subject matter sounds like every other rapper.

Also you are right about Nas never doing anything better than Illmatic, but the same is true of Jay z and Reasonable Doubt. And the reason I say that Biggie has more charisma than Jay z is cause when they were both around and competing Biggie's showed through a lot more to people than Jay z's did. Why is it widely recognized that Jay z had more charisma? Cause Jay z said "I invented swag". Yeah now that Biggie's dead he can say that. All I know is at the time they were both in their prime everyone knew and loved Big Poppa, but some people didnt know who Hov was. Probably because Ready to Die had a wide range of great songs on different topics. He was well rounded with lyrical subject matter. He even had a deep confessional track in suicidal thoughts. What do you think is the deepest thing Jay z has ever confessed to? Being in the Illuminati haha

And no I wouldnt put big ahead of pac. Pac is second to em. Bottom line is I think that they all are more creative with their concepts then Jay z is. I definitely prefer 2pac's and Eminem's delivery to Jay z. I just feel like they switch up their tone better than jay z does and that makes it more enjoyable for me to listen to. Nas's delivery isnt anything that special, but I give him a lot of credit for Illmatic. If anything that is the blueprint for what a rap album should be. He took the game to new heights with that one. Alright im done.

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What does Eminem rap about?
1-Makes funny, shocking and story-telling tracks
2-Makes tracks about his life
3-Makes love songs
4-One track fully focused on politics (White America)

That's it, no matter how AWESOME is his tracks, that's almost all what he raps about. #1 includes all his greatest tracks like Role Model, Criminal, Brain Damage, I'm Shady, etc. #2 includes The Way I Am, Marshall Mathers, etc. #3 includes tracks like Drug Ballad, Love You More and shit.

But what makes Eminem so great? It's his execution .. Same thing that I said above.

Not 100% true. Although his signature execution is very important to to his success and quality, so are his concepts. Although you could group them into those 4 groups, you neglect to mention that his story telling aspect is so wide that it rivals most artists entire discography. Actually their should even be a 5th aspect, Shock Value. Songs like Cold Wind Blows, On Fire, Some SSLP era songs like Hellbound and even Underground, are not really telling a story and are just rhyming (but no way is it just non-sense, it's still makes sense in one way or another).

Shock value's basically comedy though. And overall with that list I was generally doing that generic ridiculous "assembly" of an artist's discography from start to finish, it's hard to cite all the artist's work into some groups and shit. But since Jdubem did it, I too (the other side of the court room) felt like doing one for the sake of it.

Yeah but it still deserved its own section, Em's a little more diverse than that post implied. Although the Comedic and Shock Value aspects go hand in hand, the songs themselves don't. The directions differ greatly. You did say that it was just off the top of your head though, but I still felt the need to say something.