When Eminem performed high..

[_Hawk_]

He was always high during his SSLP and after; read 'The Way I Am' and he admits as such. If you watch videos of him on the Warped Tour, it's plain to see.

Incidentally, who's to say he remembered all his lyrics? A fair number of times he didn't, and Proof would fill in the blanks or the crowd would. I'm not suggesting that he forgot his lyrics a lot, but the comments above suggest that he was a perfectly scripted performer. He was quite the opposite (in a good way).

No, he was NEVER high during SSLP. On tour after, maybe, but SSLP was a sober album.

As the guy above said, he PERFORMED high. Please understand the nature of the fucking topic before you make stupid posts. In any case, there's no evidence that some of SSLP wasn't induced by drugs. Certainly we can guess that most of it wasn't, but who knows what he got up to in those days? Certainly following a suicide attempt, we have no idea what pills he might have taken in the run up to the SSLP, and certainly it would be credible to suggest that some of the lines he used from his lyric sheets (for tracks included in the SSLP) were resulting from drugs. He said that he only really got into drugs when he started rapping about it, and really this is the only evidence we have to go by.

[_Hawk_]

What part of 'more or less sober' do you not understand? Jesus. My point was that it is possible that some of the lines from tracks on the SSLP were induced by drugs (regardless of whether or not he was sober when composing the tracks and writing the verses) and thus supporting my point that no-one can really tell whether or not 'some' of the SSLP owes itself to drug use.

Here's an example: I smoke some weed, and jot down some lines.
A few months later, I'm writing a verse, I flick through my lyric sheets and decide to use some of those lines. Clearly drugs have influenced this track.

That is my point: no one can point to the SSLP and say that it was done completely sober, because no-one has any idea whether or not Em was on anything after his suicide attempt, in the run up to the SSEP and the SSLP.

Consequently, my argument is completely credible. In reality, it's a theory. I'm not disregardin the evidence that he was 'more or less sober', but then more or less is not a certainty, and thus my point still stands.

[EminemInsider]

As the guy above said, he PERFORMED high. Please understand the nature of the fucking topic before you make stupid posts. In any case, there's no evidence that some of SSLP wasn't induced by drugs. Certainly we can guess that most of it wasn't, but who knows what he got up to in those days? Certainly following a suicide attempt, we have no idea what pills he might have taken in the run up to the SSLP, and certainly it would be credible to suggest that some of the lines he used from his lyric sheets (for tracks included in the SSLP) were resulting from drugs. He said that he only really got into drugs when he started rapping about it, and really this is the only evidence we have to go by.

Sorry, but you're the one who made the "stupid post." Re-read:

He was always high during his SSLP and after

You said he was "always high" DURING AND AFTER SSLP, which is flat-out false and idiotic.

Eminem never attempted suicide, either. He got depressed and popped some pills, resulting in an overdose. He vomited them back up and lived. He wasn't actually trying to kill himself.

[_Hawk_]

He always performed high during those days. Check out the performances from the warped tour and the like. He's clearly on drugs. Sorry, what part of that don't you understand

And please prove to me what part of the aforementioned event can't be seen as a suicide attempt? Em has even said in his lyrics: 'I've tried suicide once and I'll try it again', so please fuck off and get your fucking facts straight. He was at an incredibly low point in his life and encountered a moment of madness. If he had died it would have been suicidal.

[EminemInsider]

He always performed high during those days. Check out the performances from the warped tour and the like. He's clearly on drugs. Sorry, what part of that don't you understand

What part of THIS don't you understand, moron?:

He was always high during his SSLP and after

That's what YOU wrote. Do you not understand what "during and after" means?

And please prove to me what part of the aforementioned event can't be seen as a suicide attempt?

A suicide attempt means you actually TRY to kill yourself. Popping pills because you're depressed doesn't constitute a "suicide attempt." Nor does making a 1 millimeter slit in your wrist and stopping, or parking your car on a railroad track and then driving off after a few minutes of waiting around. Tinkering with the IDEA of suicide and actually ATTEMPTING it are completely different matters.

It's easy to kill yourself. People who actually try to kill themselves either die or are hospitalized and kept under psychiatric evaluation. They don't vomit up some pills and go back to life as usual. And Eminem said in an interview that he doesn't think he was really trying to kill himself, it was just "something inside was telling me, 'more pills, more pills."

Em has even said in his lyrics: 'I've tried suicide once and I'll try it again', so please fuck off and get your fucking facts straight. He was at an incredibly low point in his life and encountered a moment of madness. If he had died it would have been suicidal.

You can not be fucking serious.

Yeah, and he also said that he went out and raped 6 girlfriends. He's also said that he and Dre are fucking with hats off. He also said, "hell yeah, I punch my bitch/And beat my kids in public." He also said he doesn't like rap anyway, he's just trying to get his porno career started.

[_Hawk_]

The suicide lines have been numerous in his tracks. In his book, The Way I am (and perhaps even in Angry Blonde) it is written in the context of the event being a suicide-attempt. People slit their wrists for fun; it's an extremely poor comparison. Are you saying that when Kim slit her wrists it wasn't a suicide attempt? Get a fucking grip. How do you know he didn't want to kill himself? Obviously he's glad he didn't, but during that moment of madness, no-one knows what he was really thinking. The FACT is that, had he tolerated those pills, he would most likely have died, and it would have been a suicide. Let that part slide; I'm right.

You are completely correct: he says a lot of things which aren't true, but as I previosuly stated, the suicide line is numerous enough to support my allegation. The only way you can disprove this point is by providing me with an official diagnosis [of this event], so good luck with that


And when I wrote: 'he was always high during his SSLP and after' I was replying to your previous post to say that, during all of his performances (which are available to watch) for the SSLP, he is high. High as a kite. Show me where he isn't, and I will happily apologise. Note that these performaces were after the album was released. Although, incidentally, when he performed just before it was released (in an interview for a noteworthy rap-website [the name escapes me]) he was definitely not sober. Not necessarily high; but not sober.


I'm done with this now. You may not agree with my take on the suicide situation, but I think my argument holds a lot more credibility than yours. Kudos to you for actually providing interesting debate though. Unlike most people on here; you don't appear to be a deluded, dumb-arse stan who wants Eminem's cock in your arse.


Let's put it this way: SSLP was compiled in a sober-state, and performed in a not-so sober state. Agreed? (note that the former doesn't negate my suggestion that some of the lines used in tracks owe their origins to drug use).

[Mr Change]

Can't we all just agree that whether or not he was on drugs during SSLP, it wasn't until the TES concerts where it started affecting/altering his performance?

TES Em could perform, but he looked like a brainless vegetable compared to MMLP-era performances.

Whereas on live-tv performances, he seemed fine again.

[_Hawk_]

Yeah, I completely agree

I actually think that EminemInsider (an ironic name, given my comment about Stan's wanting to anal Em haha ) has a lot of interesting things to say. I may appear to get hot headed, but it was an interesting debate.

Does anyone think 8 mile impacted on Em's Anger Management tour performances? Obviously because of the pills, but maybe he wanted to appear more 'serious'? Obviously a lot of encore would refute this :P

[Mr Change]

Yeah, I completely agree

I actually think that EminemInsider (an ironic name, given my comment about Stan's wanting to anal Em haha ) has a lot of interesting things to say. I may appear to get hot headed, but it was an interesting debate.

Does anyone think 8 mile impacted on Em's Anger Management tour performances? Obviously because of the pills, but maybe he wanted to appear more 'serious'? Obviously a lot of encore would refute this :P

Nah dude like I said, the drugs/pills(from 8 mile) really started to affect him on stage around TES. He just didn't seem all there, not 'serious'.

And then, by the Encore-era he was just pilled out of his mind

[_Hawk_]

Yeah i completely agree. What I mean is, although he always looked a bit out of it, he didn't goof around as much. Remember the hip hop witch DVD which he didn't want released as he thought it would ruin his 8 mile image? It's possible that had an impact too. Both TES and encore performances seemed much grander and staged that the ones previously. I imagine that he planned to not act as crazy.

But you're right; those pills sapped a lot of the energy. Interestingly now that he's sober, he dances around like a 40 year old man... Wait a minute...

[EminemInsider]

The suicide lines have been numerous in his tracks. In his book, The Way I am (and perhaps even in Angry Blonde) it is written in the context of the event being a suicide-attempt. People slit their wrists for fun; it's an extremely poor comparison. Are you saying that when Kim slit her wrists it wasn't a suicide attempt? Get a fucking grip. How do you know he didn't want to kill himself? Obviously he's glad he didn't, but during that moment of madness, no-one knows what he was really thinking. The FACT is that, had he tolerated those pills, he would most likely have died, and it would have been a suicide. Let that part slide; I'm right.

I think what Eminem actually said is proof enough.

http://www.eminem.net/interviews/shadys_night/

Your uncle Ronnie committed suicide. Have your ever felt so low that you wanted to end it all?

"That's always been something that's been in the back of my mind, but I don't think I have the balls to do it. There was this one time when I really felt like I wanted to do something to change my life, whether it would be doing something I regretted, or with rap or whatever. I was recording the song 'Rock Bottom'. We had just found out we were supposed to be getting this deal from some record label — I'm not gonna say which — and we found out that this guy who was saying he was gonna get us the deal was working in the mail room and he was nobody.

A bunch of other personal shit was happening in my life right about then, and I just thought I wasn't gonna get a deal no matter what, and I just took a fucking bunch of pills. I puked the shit up. I didn't have to go to hospital but my fucking stomach hurt so bad. I had a little problem and I just took too many. I don't know if I was necessarily trying to kill myself, I was just really depressed and I kept thinking, more pills, more pills, I just kept taking 'em. I bet I took 20 pills in the course of two hours, Tylenol 3s. That's why I like going back and listening to my album and thinking of what I was feeling back then."

I'll bet you anything Eminem did the same thing after Proof died. Of course, he was an addict at that time, but he was taking extra as a coping mechanism...and not to commit suicide.

You are completely correct: he says a lot of things which aren't true, but as I previosuly stated, the suicide line is numerous enough to support my allegation. The only way you can disprove this point is by providing me with an official diagnosis [of this event], so good luck with that

Lines about killing people are much more common in his music than lines about suicide. I guess he really killed people.

The context of those lines makes it abundantly clear they are just said for shock value. I love how you omitted the very next bar from your example:

I tried suicide once, and I'll try it again
That's why I write songs where I die at the end

And when I wrote: 'he was always high during his SSLP and after' I was replying to your previous post to say that, during all of his performances (which are available to watch) for the SSLP, he is high. High as a kite. Show me where he isn't, and I will happily apologise. Note that these performaces were after the album was released. Although, incidentally, when he performed just before it was released (in an interview for a noteworthy rap-website [the name escapes me]) he was definitely not sober. Not necessarily high; but not sober.

If you think he was high here, you're an idiot:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59i0PCuW ... re=related

Or here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IdYpKK- ... re=related

Let's put it this way: SSLP was compiled in a sober-state, and performed in a not-so sober state. Agreed? (note that the former doesn't negate my suggestion that some of the lines used in tracks owe their origins to drug use).

Depends on the performance. In most of the ones I've seen from that era he appears to be clean.

[_Hawk_]

Regarding the 'suicide attempt', he still said he wasn't sure whether he was trying to go through with it or not. Which supports my allegation more than yours.

I didn't ommit the next line on purpose. It was obvious it was said in a jokey way, but then the majority of lines on the SSLP are said in a jokey-way: even '97 Bonnie and Clyde is a complete fabrication. The point is the weight that the lines carry: they're loaded comments, normally with a meaning. Whether he's joking or not, most likely it is something that is on his mind. Clearly with the argument of whether it was a suicide attempt or not, as I said, it would have been suicide if he had died, and the fact that he himself isn't sure most likely highlights that, during that brief moment when he went a bit crazy, he didn't really give a fuck. It was an attempt at something, and suicide is the only credible culmination.

I'm no expert on spotting when someone is high from a video, but the confidence he has up there on stage is most likely induced by something or other. I don't take youtube comments as representative of the truth, but have a read and there are a lot saying how high he is. There's no way we can tell for sure, but I'm sure videos of the whole warped tour and show in Vancouver outweigh those two videos (that is if he isn't high or on something in those videos).

But I take your point: he doesn't look as out of it as he does in some performances from this time, but then again he looks no way near as sober as he does when performing ATM.

[EminemInsider]

Regarding the 'suicide attempt', he still said he wasn't sure whether he was trying to go through with it or not. Which supports my allegation more than yours.

I didn't ommit the next line on purpose. It was obvious it was said in a jokey way, but then the majority of lines on the SSLP are said in a jokey-way: even '97 Bonnie and Clyde is a complete fabrication. The point is the weight that the lines carry: they're loaded comments, normally with a meaning. Whether he's joking or not, most likely it is something that is on his mind. Clearly with the argument of whether it was a suicide attempt or not, as I said, it would have been suicide if he had died, and the fact that he himself isn't sure most likely highlights that, during that brief moment when he went a bit crazy, he didn't really give a fuck. It was an attempt at something, and suicide is the only credible culmination.

People who actually are trying to kill themselves are 100% sure of what they're doing. It's not something you halfway do.

The only way it would have been ruled a "suicide" is if he'd left a note or any other indication that it was. Otherwise, they'd have no grounds for ruling it a suicide (see Heath Ledger).

I'm no expert on spotting when someone is high from a video, but the confidence he has up there on stage is most likely induced by something or other. I don't take youtube comments as representative of the truth, but have a read and there are a lot saying how high he is. There's no way we can tell for sure, but I'm sure videos of the whole warped tour and show in Vancouver outweigh those two videos (that is if he isn't high or on something in those videos).

But I take your point: he doesn't look as out of it as he does in some performances from this time, but then again he looks no way near as sober as he does when performing ATM.

Eminem was always confident as a rapper when he was younger...almost to the point of arrogance. He thought he could beat anyone in a battle and lyrically attacked every rapper he could think of a reason to attack. He was hyperactive.

The drugs he was known to take were depressants. If you see his eyes glazed over, hear him slurring words, and especially if it looks like an atomic bomb went off in his head when you look at his eyes...THEN he was high.

Youtube comments? The Youtube twits think Eminem was "lip SINGing" his performance of Lose Yourself that was shown on Kimmel in 09. I value the opinion of a retarded, one-eyed, radioactive monkey over that of a typical Youtube user.

[_Hawk_]

Heath Ledger isn't similar at all. Suicide isn't announced on the grounds that a note has been written: personal details and events surrounding the death are all taken into account. Ledger's circumstances suggested towards a tragic OD which wasn't purposeful. With Em, his poor situation, horrible home life, economic issues, troubles with KIm and Hailie etc would have been strong suggestions that his act was suicidal. I agree that no one can suggest whether or not it would have been viewed as suicidal, but there's a good chance it would have, and considering the aforementioned, I'd say that this would outweigh the suggestion it was viewed as just a mishap.

But who knows? You make some very good points, but a similar example would need to be found to clarify. Take this for instance: i know a family who tragically lost their son recently. He was found hanging by a belt from the top rail of his curtain. Was it an accident? Was it purposeful? The first court ruling ruled the latter, and this was later revised and agreed as the former. There is no real right or wrong: just an educated assumption.

[Amaranthine]

But who knows? You make some very good points, but a similar example would need to be found to clarify. Take this for instance: i know a family who tragically lost their son recently. He was found hanging by a belt from the top rail of his curtain. Was it an accident? Was it purposeful? The first court ruling ruled the latter, and this was later revised and agreed as the former. There is no real right or wrong: just an educated assumption.

...How do you accidentally hang yourself? I get accidental overdoses, but an accidental hanging? Help me out here.