"That last Relapse CD was ehhhhh"

[KickflipCaleb]

Doesn't ruin the song for me... I agreed with that statement when it first came out (it took awhile for Relapse to grow on me ) but now when I hear it I'm like "ehhh"

U stole the words right out of my mouth! I always liked Recovery better but lately I have been bumping Relapse more and I can finally say,

RELAPSE > RECOVERY

A few more years and RELAPSE will be ILLMATIC

First, I agree. I feel the EXACT same. I really never listened to Relapse, assuming it sucked, but now I love it. Second, it was Encore that was going to be illmatic, if you're referring to what he says on "Careful What You Wish For"

[KickflipCaleb]

I honestly feel like he was a bit brainwashed by the critics on this one. He just seemed to agree with them in saying those two albums sucked. Maybe he knew if he himself acknowledged that that he would gain some leverage? Either brainwashed or just trying to be a people pleaser. He knows they don't suck. And now all of the sudden so does everyone else. So now hes getting hate for saying they sucked? Which he may have said to avoid hate?

[Mathers]

He'll probably diss Recovery on his next album but you guys won't mind that.

[Rollimeo]

I honestly feel like he was a bit brainwashed by the critics on this one. He just seemed to agree with them in saying those two albums sucked. Maybe he knew if he himself acknowledged that that he would gain some leverage? Either brainwashed or just trying to be a people pleaser. He knows they don't suck. And now all of the sudden so does everyone else. So now hes getting hate for saying they sucked? Which he may have said to avoid hate?

so just not mentioning relapse at all wouldn't be avoiding hate

plus this is Eminem he loves controversy and now all of a sudden he is getting bullied into saying his last cd was trash by critics and fans

[Kill You]

He did it for the fans and critics...that's it. He honestly doesn't believe Relapse sucked. Deep down inside he loves it because it wasn't so personal. That was an album he actually wanted to do, and he did it freely without worrying about anyone's opinions. Then he saw the reception and was like "alright, well it looks like I should make emotionalzzz" so he did.

[Mathers]

Seeing as how he isn't listening to fans anymore I wonder if he regrets making Recovery.

[Kill You]

Seeing as how he isn't listening to fans anymore I wonder if he regrets making Recovery.

I doubt it. Recovery is still a great album and he probably believes that as well. He might regret calling Relapse bad though and saying it deserves to be in the trash.

[Elision]

It was relevant at the time. You weren't part of the cool kids if you liked Relapse.

Everybody noticing how intricate the rhyming and shit was, and then beginning to actually appreciate it didn't happen until a little over a year and a half ago.

[Kill You]

I always liked Relapse too. I can agree that that subject matters and content were lacking, but Relapse showed true skill and artistic freedom. Recovery is better for a few reasons, but it doesn't take anything from Relapse.

[Elision]

Relapse basically opened my eyes to multies.

haha, pretty late man

[Amaranthine]

Relapse = Recovery for me. They're both 4/5.

[KickflipCaleb]

Relapse is great, but the subject matter starts to blend together alotttt, making a handful of songs feel the same. Just my opinion.

[momentsgolden]

^ It was a theme album, it was like a movie.
Everything blended together because it was meant to be, the skits, the songs...They all complete each other.

That's one of the things I loved about Relapse, Recovery felt like a mixtape because it sounded like a punch of songs thrown randomly that had no connections to the previous song or even to the theme itself.

I realise that it was a theme album... but like a movie, there should be direction and progression. He tried (and somewhat succeeded) with the skits leading to tracks and so forth but i do concur that at times it was stagnant. Too much filler.

[momentsgolden]

Bagpies From Baghdad, Must be The Ganja, Medicine Ball, Crack a Bottle, We Made, Old time's Sake and (even though i love it) Hello are all songs that could have been done without. It makes it much shorter and more progressive because at its current 85 minutes (including the bonus tracks) its a tad bit too long.

It does do well in connecting songs though as i alluded to the skits for example.

[Kill You]

^ It was a theme album, it was like a movie.
Everything blended together because it was meant to be, the skits, the songs...They all complete each other.

That's one of the things I loved about Relapse, Recovery felt like a mixtape because it sounded like a punch of songs thrown randomly that had no connections to the previous song or even to the theme itself.

Don't really agree with the Recovery assessment...honestly if I listen to Recovery front to back, it sounds more coherent and thematic than people give it credit for.