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Hidden Gems in Encore? (NEW REVIEW, UPDATED)

Postby limea » May 2nd, '12, 02:51

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Encore is known for a lot of things, being called "shitty" & "trash" by Em fans & stans alike (personally believe it's Eminem at his creative & conceptual prime, although definitely not at his lyrical prime) but there's something specific related to Encore I've been meaning to get off my chest recently.

Just Lose It is amazing social commentary, it's poking fun at all of his previous corny singles & mocking the viewer for being another trendy single follower. Notice how he put "I don't have any lines to go here so chubbachubbachubba", do you actually think he wrote this bullshit because he's lazy? No! He's putting it there because he knows his Stans will eat that shit up, it's a classic Slim Shady IDGAF attitude.

Not enough proof? Notice how he mentions his classic, Lose Yourself & parodies it. Why? It's to fit the concept of Just Lose It, the listener is supposed to be reminded of his classics and reflect.

Anyway, to My First Single...
My First Single is a biting social commentary & immensely underrated. It's called shitty because people fail to see the concept, he's mocking society for being obsessed with the latest hot trend, and spitting in the face of Interscope executives. Vintage Slim Shady rebellion reminiscent of the SSLP days. It's like the Way I Am, except he's added humor to fool simpletons who expect another silly Eminem song. People overlook this classic because of it's farting & burping noises, but the fart & burp noises mean so much more. It's symbolism, the fart represents the crappy "hot" singles polluting are airways, and the burp represents the idiots who seem to take the awful music like Vicodin.

Now, lyrically they're not impressive, but who cares? The concept isn't about hip-hop, it emcopases all genres polluting the radio, Eminem made it basic rhyme-wise on purpose. Idiotic "hip-hawp" heads don't seem to understand this

The beat is also misunderstood, it's another example of Eminem's social commentary. The beat makes a joke out of "hot" beats teens find to be cool, it's not even a beat to be honest.... it's on a whole 'nother level. What other producer would make a beat that judges society's tastes? The beat is just absolutely amazing if you judge it that way, but critics want to judge it just like any other old plain hip-hop beat. :facepalm2

It takes Just Lose It & brings you to a second round of splendid social commentary.


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What else could I say about this song? It tackles homophobia, the Bush administration, and once again stabs at the music industry "I made a whole song and I didn't say shit", and gives us a flashback to Criminal with his "You find me offensive, I find you offensive", which is an obvious reference to his classic Heterophobic line. When he takes a quick jab at the Bush administration, he does it simply unlike in White America which has an annoying screaming chorus, overrhyming galore, and fails to execute a good concept. Of course once again, idiots fail to see the concept & want him to overrhyme.

10/10
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Re: Hidden Gems in Encore?

Postby limea » May 2nd, '12, 03:11

Geno wrote:One of my favourite Em songs is from Encore. Love You More.

Crazy In Love, Spend Some Time (Em and Obie anyway), Puke, Just Lose It, Big Weenie, We As Americans are all good songs in their own right as well.

Underrated album, really. It gets so much hate for the sub-par songs, but not enough credit for the good songs.


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Eminem at his creative pinnacle, his "shitty" songs are also criminally underrated. The concepts just... :flutter: I can't wait to get to my Rain Man & Mockingbird review. Coming soon!
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Re: Hidden Gems in Encore?

Postby Mr Change » May 2nd, '12, 03:16

Not sure if the above are serious :confusion:

While some of this can make sense just fine, you also have to consider, people also tend to exaggerate on how good these 'not bad' songs are from Encore.

Above all though, I can appreciate the good parts of Encore.
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Re: Hidden Gems in Encore?

Postby limea » May 2nd, '12, 03:18

I am being quite serious. It's sad that one can't appreciate the genius of these songs without being labelled a troll.

InsaneTRex94 wrote:
Geno wrote:One of my favourite Em songs is from Encore. Love You More.

Crazy In Love, Spend Some Time (Em and Obie anyway), Puke, Just Lose It, Big Weenie, We As Americans are all good songs in their own right as well.

Underrated album, really. It gets so much hate for the sub-par songs, but not enough credit for the good songs.

My friend described Crazy In Love as Love The Way You Lie on steroids.

I feel like the only songs I can't listen to on Encore are two the ones in OP lol. But I've always understood that he was parodying the whole "first single" thing, I agree with everything there, I've always thought about it and came to that conclusion about half a year ago.

EDIT: Geno, I fucking love that song. It's one of my favorites from Encore.


I understand, those songs aren't for everyone, but I appreciate the irony of Just Lose It which keeps me coming back for another listen.
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Re: Hidden Gems in Encore?

Postby 12characters » May 2nd, '12, 03:20

limea wrote: (personally believe it's Eminem at his creative & conceptual prime,



I think Relapse was tbh




I really like Yellow Brick Road.
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Re: Hidden Gems in Encore?

Postby Amaranthine » May 2nd, '12, 03:23

Crazy In Love and Love You More are epic. I kinda like Big Weenie in a guilty pleasure way, but I can't stand My First Single.
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Re: Hidden Gems in Encore?

Postby limea » May 2nd, '12, 03:24

12characters wrote:
limea wrote: (personally believe it's Eminem at his creative & conceptual prime,



I think Relapse was tbh




I really like Yellow Brick Road.


Ah, yes, Relapse. :coffee:

He ruined those potential conceptual classics on Relapse by over-rhyming. Now don't get me wrong, I can apperciate a good Slim rhyme-scheme, but unlike what some ignorant hip-hop fans tend to believe, over-rhyming & being overly descriptive can hurt a song. One should keep it simple, a simple line sometimes can mean so much more than an attempt at a complicated rhyme scheme. We know you can rhyme, Marshall, but what does rhyming have to do with a concept?
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Re: Hidden Gems in Encore?

Postby 12characters » May 2nd, '12, 03:30

limea wrote:
12characters wrote:
limea wrote: (personally believe it's Eminem at his creative & conceptual prime,



I think Relapse was tbh




I really like Yellow Brick Road.


Ah, yes, Relapse. :coffee:

He ruined those potential conceptual classics on Relapse by over-rhyming. Now don't get me wrong, I can apperciate a good Slim rhyme-scheme, but unlike what some ignorant hip-hop fans tend to believe, over-rhyming & being overly descriptive can hurt a song. One should keep it simple, a simple line sometimes can mean so much more than an attempt at a complicated rhyme scheme. We know you can rhyme, Marshall, but what does rhyming have to do with a concept?



I disagree. :flower:

I love the amount of rhyming on that album along with his descriptions, but that's not what I was trying to get across. I think Relapse was more creative conceptually (and probably in just about every other aspect).
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Re: Hidden Gems in Encore?

Postby limea » May 2nd, '12, 03:34

12characters wrote:

I disagree. :flower:

I love the amount of rhyming on that album along with his descriptions, but that's not what I was trying to get across. I think Relapse was more creative conceptually (and probably in just about every other aspect).


The fact that he managed to sneak in social criticism in his music (Like in TES) takes Encore to a whole 'nother level to me. His concepts had meaning.
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Re: Hidden Gems in Encore?

Postby 12characters » May 2nd, '12, 03:43

limea wrote:
12characters wrote:

I disagree. :flower:

I love the amount of rhyming on that album along with his descriptions, but that's not what I was trying to get across. I think Relapse was more creative conceptually (and probably in just about every other aspect).


The fact that he managed to sneak in social criticism in his music (Like in TES) takes Encore to a whole 'nother level to me. His concepts had meaning.


Relapse also social criticism with satirical methods as well.
My mom, my mom! I know you're probably tired
Of hearin 'bout my mom oh-ho, whoa-ho

Has received much criticism on his "mommy talks".

Not to mention his chorus on Medicine Ball: "I guess it's time for you to hate me again",
It straight up taunts you directly to your face.
He even tackled personal concepts too (though maybe not as in depth), with songs like Deja Vu and Careful What You Wish for.

I also liked the technique more.
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Re: Hidden Gems in Encore?

Postby trinell05 » May 2nd, '12, 04:14

Anyone who doesn't understand the true genius of "Puke" needs their mind, body and soul checked. It was softcore porn version of "Kim" and conveyed the same intense feelings as "Kim." I will bump Encore all the way through before Relapse because it's that much closer in emotional substance to The Eminem Show. "Crazy In Love" is the same way. Catch the jilted lover concept in "Spend Some Time?" Just a brilliant album and deserves much more respect than you guys allow it to have.
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Re: Hidden Gems in Encore?

Postby limea » May 2nd, '12, 04:14

12characters wrote:
limea wrote:
12characters wrote:

I disagree. :flower:

I love the amount of rhyming on that album along with his descriptions, but that's not what I was trying to get across. I think Relapse was more creative conceptually (and probably in just about every other aspect).


The fact that he managed to sneak in social criticism in his music (Like in TES) takes Encore to a whole 'nother level to me. His concepts had meaning.


Relapse also social criticism with satirical methods as well.
My mom, my mom! I know you're probably tired
Of hearin 'bout my mom oh-ho, whoa-ho
Has received much criticism on his "mommy talks".

Not to mention his chorus on Medicine Ball: "I guess it's time for you to hate me again",
It straight up taunts you directly to your face.
He even tackled personal concepts too (though maybe not as in depth), with songs like Deja Vu and Careful What You Wish for.

I also liked the technique more.


Both those examples you listed are nice, but notice how they only aim at his music. My First Single & Just Lose It attacks the music industry, not just simply identifying criticisms pointed towards him and addressing them. My First Single & Just Lose It are far superior songs, conceptually.
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Re: Hidden Gems in Encore?

Postby 12characters » May 2nd, '12, 04:29

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Yes I know It's a troll thread.
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You're reaching. Those examples attack the entire music industry?

Son..

Music about the artist = Wack?

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Re: Hidden Gems in Encore?

Postby limea » May 2nd, '12, 04:31

12characters wrote:...
Yes I know It's a troll thread.
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You're reaching. Those examples attack the entire music industry?

Son..

Music about the artist = Wack?

:confusion:


Not 'wack', but inferior conceptually as opposed to Just Lose It & My First Single. And yes, they do attack the whole industry, I fail to see how it is reaching.
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Re: Hidden Gems in Encore?

Postby trinell05 » May 2nd, '12, 04:35

I don't think she's reaching. Listen to the damn "My First Single" chorus. He's basically saying that he's tired of being forced to put out these easy-listening teeny boppy first singles, so he decides he's just going to fuck up the song on purpose to piss off the head bitches in charge.

He does the same thing while being a bit more subtle in "Just Lose It" because he does make a goofy single, but he's saying that he's losing his mind because of the pressures to continue the formula, but he'll do it just so that he's able to release music to his fans. He took a few bullets for us by putting out those songs.
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