The Davidians vs. Haystak

[AbramIsaac]

It was a desperate plea for exposure.

Haystak had given Eminem props before on his songs, and had never said anything bad about him, even coming to his defense during the whole Source magazine feud. There was never any kind of indication that there was bad blood between the two up until Haystak started randomly (verbally) attacking Eminem.

It started at a concert. Haystak shouted at the crowd about how he was going to fuck Eminem up, or how Em didn't represent real whiteboys. Now, keep in mind that this was after the "I'm Having a Relapse" freestyle, but before Relapse was actually released.

Haystak's camp then put out a press release that was picked up by AOL Music and other online news outlets with the title "Eminem Gunned Down by Independent Rapper Haystak" or something close to that. He then started releasing diss tracks. After a few of those, he dropped a couple of videos.

"Something Someone Told Me", I believe were the titles (parts 1 and 2). He's making threats, and tries to allege that someone in the Shady Records camp had told him that Eminem only had like 4 songs, and that Relapse actually wasn't coming, which is laughable knowing now what we know about the Relapse sessions.

Then came the incredibly long-winded and pointless videos where Haystak "breaks down" the beef. He basically tries to sell the point that he's doing it because Eminem was being disrespectful of the Juggalos with his Relapse-era content, and that he was glorifying popping pills that kill people. Now, if you watch the videos, you can see that he's trying to look really angry, but it's obviously phoned in emotion. He also alleges he knew "some people" that brought guns to the video shoot (of We Made You) and that he had 10 G's to fly out and fuck Eminem up the moment he got a call about his location.

Eminem, of course, still didn't respond. Haystak got Brabo Gator to join in, and he dissed Proof. Haystak talked about a few lines where he was going to go at Hailie. Oktaine joined in after momentary hesitation because most of his fans were Haystak's followers. Haystak supported Oktaine at first (because Oktaine paid him several thousand dollars to do a collab album with him) but things eventually fell apart from there.

Haystak eventually gave up, because it got him nowhere. He's now back to making music about himself and his life, which is what he had been doing before he tried this ridiculous stunt. The reason he chose to diss Eminem at this point is because Em was at his weakest in many aspects. Not lyrically, but his comeback was bringing him newfound attention, and he wasn't sure of himself yet. That's also why DZK and Canibus chose to diss him around that time.

Haystak has a very dedicated fanbase, that worship him and question nothing he does. Seriously, it makes the Juggalos look like casual listeners. So he had nothing to lose, and everything to gain from his perspective. Unfortunately, he did lose credibility as an artist for those who actually use their heads, and I'm sure he got blackballed from any respectable venue or major album. It also came out that he was a registered sex offender.

[ashley94]

i have no fucking idea who they are.

[AbramIsaac]

Eminem was smart not to diss him.

He would have been playing right into his hands if he did that. It would have hit the national media if he had sent a shot back at him, and that would only make more people check him out to see what he's about.

Haystak's core fans are often uneducated, poverty-stricken people who love him because they can relate to him more than any other artist out. These aren't the kind of people that are swayed by a diss track, no matter how ruthless.

So Eminem couldn't really do anything to him on the lyrical front. What he could do, and I suspect may have done, is fuck his financial situation up behind the scenes. It wouldn't surprise me at all if the Shady/Interscope camp effectively blackballed Haystak through their print media partners and associated brands and venues.

[AbramIsaac]

To be honest, saying the things they were saying, anything would have been justified.

If it's "fuck Haystak", then it's fuck you too
If Proof was alive, it'd be fuck him too
If "it's fuck my city", then it's fuck you too
If Em wasn't hidin' it'd be fuck him too

That was from the track Brabo Gator did. He was part of Haystak's camp at the time.

Oh yeah, and:

So fuck D12, bitch do somethin'
When Proof got killed you pussies didn't do nothin'

and this: (imitating King Gordy)
I'm the black Sgt Slaughter, Bizarre's my real father
I fuck little children, where's Eminem's daughter

They were using dirty tactics. I'd rather him fuck their money up than give them any exposure or leave them alone.

[AbramIsaac]

Yeah, the lines about Proof and Hailie in that song are pretty bad.

Sometime after this, Brabo Gator had a falling out with Haystak anyway, and gained nothing from it.

[AbramIsaac]

Actually Haystak and Brabo have a really fucked up past.

So I'm sure the negativity from that didn't help, but they had problems going all the way back to when Brabo Gator was in high school. He talks about it on "Letter to Stak". It's actually an interesting story, but it's pretty long.

I used to listen to Haystak...he was a sincere guy, despite his flaws. He really did make some great music back in the day. I could relate to it, being from the midwest. Then he started calling himself a boss and all of that shit. Really, some bullshit move like this was a long time coming, knowing what I know now about him as a person.

[AbramIsaac]

Drive <--Laid-back, emotional song. Talks about the deaths of his friends and his grandfather.
My First Day <--Song about getting off of heroin or strong prescription opiates.
My Lyrics <--Song about writing.

Now, the guy has a lot of stuff in his catalog. You may not relate to it, but I think you'll find a sincerity in it. If you listen to "Drive" be sure to at least finish that second verse. "My First Day" is an inspirational song for a lot of people, despite that hook. "My Lyrics" is a decent song about an emcee's connection to his songs.

I can't listen to the guy anymore...knowing how fake he was during this feud kind of ruined it all for me.

[Arrinef]

holy shit, i never knew that drew carey fuck was so retarted. I'm basing my decisions on his actions, more so his videos.

Glad sir shady never spit a line