On the real, "underground rap" <<<<<

[FreeSpeech]

I really don't fuck with any of it. I'll listen to lesser known artists like Pac Div or Action Bronson but they ain't really underground. TBH I'd rather listen to a new Big Sean album than anything from Atmosphere or Jedi Mind Tricks. Like, Big Sean has deep songs and they are just better sounding. Underground dudes just take themselves too serious. It's boring. I've fronted like I enjoy Atmosphere but tbh they don't have an album I care to listen to at all. It just isn't fun music. Like, that cigarette metaphor song is a snooze. And no underground rapper can come close to touching albums by Ye, Em, Nas, Common, etc. Anyone else not fuck with underground rap whatsoever?

[Devil'sAdvocate]

I had this phase where i was pretty much in love with Underground rap,now i just find it uninteresting and boring and really just going nowhere.

[JamaicanPattlez]

I'm the same way. Well, I'll listen to Strange Music artists, Funk Volume artists, and the other big names in the underground, but if you ask me if I like JMT or Immortal Technique, I'll say no. I was never into stuff like that. I'm a Mainstream Music fan that stumbled on the Underground Music scene one day. People will go "You don't know real Hip Hop", but who gives a fuck if it's MY ears? Fans on both sides gotta realize that. People will listen to whatever they want to listen to. Some will honestly prefer Waka Flocka over Eminem, that's them. From many standpoints, of COURSE Eminem's better in many aspects, but that's just preference in the end. Simple as that.

[Spyder]

underground IMO

i like mainsteam artists that survived the 90's. Em Jay Nas.

middle road is good like Slaughter, spec. Joe. theyre not on the radio mainstream but every hop head knows em so not really underground...

but Rhyme Asylum, Cyne, One Be Lo, Virtuoso, 7L& Esoteric, DZK, Classified, Copywrite

those guys are better IMO, no they dont have the production of mainstream but lyrically, its what im looking for
and imo much much better

[FreeSpeech]

Underground rappers and fans in general are arrogant, I might agree with that.
But Big Sean > JMT? What the fuck are you smoking?
Their music is not deep? Are you hearing yourself?

JMT has helped me through a lot, they've influenced my style of living. Their music is what hip-hop is.
Razorable Salvation nearly had me in tears.
In my case, Big Sean is a big pile of garbage, just like Wiz, Drake, Wayne, Ross and 2 Chainz.

I mean, I see why people listen to JMT and shit, if you like it cool, but it's just a joke to me. Like, c'mon dawg stop fronting. They just take themselves too seriously.

Big Sean has great emotional shit like So Much More, Memories, etc. He's just a real dude rapping what he knows, and I can relate to him. Shit, even songs like Money & Sex or Meant To Be are way better to me. they're fun. I could chill with Big Sean. Vinnie Paz? Haha nahhhhh that nerdy ass mofo is a loser.

Wiz makes dope chill music and party songs, Drake is one of the best rappers/artists out, Wayne was ill and now sucks seal penis but still makes some fun songs, Ross can be dope when he tries, 2Chainz is pretty much trash though I don't bump him at all.

And I still love "deep" rappers. Childish Gambino is amazing and one of the realest dudes out.

[Trimss]

Does DZK even rap anymore? lol.

I fuck with Jedi Mind Tricks though. When it comes to music, it's not like "it's underground so i won't like it" or "it's mainstream so i won't like it", if a rapper makes good music that appeals to me, I'll like it and that's it.

Immortal Technique has some amazing songs, You Never Know is just one of them. I have the two first Revolutionnary Volumes on my phone, and I also have some JMT. It's not a question of underground or mainstream, it's just what I like.

If I like a popular song like "Headlines" I don't really give a fuck if it's mainstream or not, I would've liked it if it was underground too because I love the music in itself.

[FreeSpeech]

Does DZK even rap anymore? lol.

I fuck with Jedi Mind Tricks though. When it comes to music, it's not like "it's underground so i won't like it" or "it's mainstream so i won't like it", if a rapper makes good music that appeals to me, I'll like it and that's it.

Immortal Technique has some amazing songs, You Never Know is just one of them. I have the two first Revolutionnary Volumes on my phone, and I also have some JMT. It's not a question of underground or mainstream, it's just what I like.

If I like a popular song like "Headlines" I don't really give a fuck if it's mainstream or not, I would've liked it if it was underground too because I love the music in itself.

Haha DZK is one of the few "underground" rappers I love. And he supposedly is hard working on his album ( I've spoken with him and his manager/partner Sam a few times), but I doubt it. He has absolutely no hype, maybe a few hundred fans left at best. I doubt he could sell 500 albums. He's a bum, really.

If he never puts out another real song I wouldn't be surprised. It's sad really, i think he's actually a pretty sad/depressed guy. Waste of talent.


IDK, at the end of the day, guys like Kanye, Drake, and Common are far more relateable to me, and better musically.

[FreeSpeech]

Well, it's like what JamaicanPattlez said, it's a preference thing.
I'm not even an underground dude, Em is my favorite, I like T.I and I listen to rappers like Big Boi and B.o.B

It's just when I want to listen to something I can pump my head to, I wanna listen to the lyrics, not the beat. I wanna listen to the rhymes, not the "aah's" and "yeaah" background voices. I wanna listen to metaphors, punches and multis, not generic rhymes and dated metaphors.
It's my kind of music. I don't give a fuck about rappers' lifestyles.
I don't care if Vinnie raped women, as long as his raps come correct, i'll be a fan.
That's what I look for in rap, I don't care about the musical instruments that much, maybe because I don't listen to anything besides rap.
I have listened to MBDTF once, haven't played it again since then. It's not what I want to listen to, it's great, to you maybe....But it's garbage to me, still won't affect the album or your opinion.

I don't have any Young Money or MMG music, I don't listen to Big Sean, 2 Chainz or Wiz.
You prefer them, that's cool...But I don't agree, and I have the right to.
So, this isn't gonna end if you keep responding like that. Might as well agree to disagree.

Yeah I know, I'm just saying to me I don't fuck with it. To me, it's just as fake as Rick Ross talking bout cocaine. And the music aspect is subpar to me. But I guess you listening to MBDTF just once is all I need to know haha I've listened all the way through at least 100 times. It's my favorite album of all time.

You should listen to Big Sean though, he's ill. Great music to just blast in the car.

[FreeSpeech]

The "is all I needed to know" was unnecessary. Many people dislike that album, don't get the conclusion where you think I have bad taste in music.

Nah I wasn't trying to be a dick, I'm saying if you don't like MBDTF we clearly have vastly different taste. But it is possibly the most universally critically acclaimed rap album of all time. It's bigger than rap.

[ShAdYTiLIDie]

OP i have to disagree, First of all it really is a matter of opinion. But I think that a lot of underground artist have much more skill and raw talent than some of the bigger names. I'm probably different in this way but I personally dont like Kanyes songs/albums, I would much rather listen to Diabolic, Rittz, and Hopsin than Lil Wayne, Kanye, and Drake. So to say that underground rappers are not more talented than some main stream artist is innacurate.

I apologize if this has been said but you guys's posts are really long and dont feel like reading right now!

[Jdubem]

The "is all I needed to know" was unnecessary. Many people dislike that album, don't get the conclusion where you think I have bad taste in music.

Nah I wasn't trying to be a dick, I'm saying if you don't like MBDTF we clearly have vastly different taste. But it is possibly the most universally critically acclaimed rap album of all time. It's bigger than rap.

The most universally critically acclaimed rap album of all time?? really?

[FreeSpeech]

The "is all I needed to know" was unnecessary. Many people dislike that album, don't get the conclusion where you think I have bad taste in music.

Nah I wasn't trying to be a dick, I'm saying if you don't like MBDTF we clearly have vastly different taste. But it is possibly the most universally critically acclaimed rap album of all time. It's bigger than rap.

The most universally critically acclaimed rap album of all time?? really?

Yeah. Almost perfect reviews all around. Not that I take reviews too seriously, but it gets almost universal acclaim. It's my favorite album of all time. Have you listened to it? Incredibly epic.

[Jdubem]

^Yeah I have the album and will still listen to some songs off it from time to time. I just think its kind of overrated. I mean yeah the production is amazing to the point its almost untouchable, but the lyrics leave a lot to be desired. I understand he has some good moments, but take the song runaway for example. He didnt say anything clever or memorable in that whole 9 minute song. The Production and Kanye's voice (which I dont even like that much) cant carry the entire song. If its going to be critically acclaimed for being a good rap album then it needs to have some serious rapping in it and Kanye's lyrics just dont cut it. If you are just talking about it musically then I can maybe see where youd get that, but as a RAP album its not that special.

[FreeSpeech]

^Yeah I have the album and will still listen to some songs off it from time to time. I just think its kind of overrated. I mean yeah the production is amazing to the point its almost untouchable, but the lyrics leave a lot to be desired. I understand he has some good moments, but take the song runaway for example. He didnt say anything clever or memorable in that whole 9 minute song. The Production and Kanye's voice (which I dont even like that much) cant carry the entire song. If its going to be critically acclaimed for being a good rap album then it needs to have some serious rapping in it and Kanye's lyrics just dont cut it. If you are just talking about it musically then I can maybe see where youd get that, but as a RAP album its not that special.

If Kanye ever dropped an album full of multis and punchlines and shit, I'd be furious. Kanye isn't that style of rap. It's poetry.

Never was much of a romantic,
I could never take the intimacy.
And I know I did damage,
'cause the look in your eyes is killing me,
I guess you've got another advantage
'cause you could blame me for everything.
And I don't know how I'm a manage,
If one day you just up and leave...
Oh, I haven't fucked in so long
You been puttin' up with my shit just way too long
I'm so gifted at findin' what I don't like the most
So I think it's time for us to have a toast
Yeah, I always find somethin' wrong
You been puttin' up with my shit just way too long
I'm so gifted at findin' what I don't like the most
So I think it's time for us to have a toast
Let's have a toast for the douchebags,
Let's have a toast for the assholes,
Let's have a toast for the scumbags,
Every one of them that I know
Let's have a toast to the jerkoffs
That'll never take work off
Baby, I got a plan
Run away fast as you can

^So much soul, amazing lyricism. Runaway would be AWFUL with what most TR members consider "lyricism". Kanye's lyricism throughout the album is incredible. Do you think Tupac is a weak/average lyricist too? MBDTF is full of serious rapping.

[Jdubem]

Im not talking about multies when I say lyricism. Im talking about real and clever shit that makes you think. He doesnt say anything there thats really worth taking note of. That stuff is easy to think of and has been done countless times before. Nothing amazing about it. Simple lyricsm is more like it.