Frank Ocean - channel ORANGE

[Man1x]

I haven't even given Life Is Good a listen... but based on "Accident Murderers" I'm expecting a 8/10, nothing Illmatic though.

He will never top Illmatic, just my opinion.

[Man1x]

It's good, but not even album of the week

not enough multi's, right?

Fully deserves the 9.5

R&B doesn't use multies... argument invalid

Nas drops an album in the same week, over my dead body that Frank Ocaen's album is better, besides, this ain't got shit on Control System, Breakfast, SmokeOut Conversations to be album of the year, not to mention Living Things by Linkin Park, who is miles better, it's a 7/10 album maximum for me, and I even like Frank Ocean, and I'm not homophobic, I supported his coming out, and wasn't grossed out by Forrest Grump, but I feel this album is being a tad bit overrated

I agree with the underlined.

[Robbie G]

I respect the man and his music, but I just can't seem to get into him. His voice is good, but I don't love it and his songs bore me.....almost like their missing something.

[Man1x]

It's different subject matter, that's the only groundbreaking part about it. However, it isn't amazingly innovative and it doesn't have a completely new, unique sound.

Subject matter? Only groundbreaking part about it? You clearly have no knowledge about modern story-telling to compare it to Frank's work, you just praised BJ the Chicago Kid to death (Which isn't a surprise because that's what you normally do to TDE affiliates, you know I'm a fan of BJ but to Frank he's like Chief Keef compared to Jigga). Frank's song-writing is extremely spectacular, even in rap verses (Hear "Oldie"), the whole project isn't as simple as any other R&B artist, he has a fantastic voice, the album is extremely well-produced and everything is right on-point. Like Blu said, some of the best music to ever come out.

That was a quote about one song, not the whole fucking album, damn someone got mad. I never said it was a simple project, I even praised it in most my posts. Nor did I say he doesn't have a good voice, and I never commented on the album's production. Another point, I even said Frank Ocean had a better voice than BJ the Chicago Kid, however I did say BJ had a more unique style to how he approaches a track. Then after that, I followed with praise for Frank Ocean saying that he managed to do something BJ hasn't and may never do. He found a balance between a somewhat unique style and mainstream appeal. Not many can do that, and honestly, I'm sure Frank Ocean could approach a track will a more unique style than BJ but that would mean he may become less attractive in the mainstream. BJ is harder to get into, and I even said that. Frank Ocean chose the better path, what more can I say? Please tell me where I am shitting over Frank's image with these comments. I'm just being honest.

Even then, it could have been executed better, it's not thought provoking.

How can it could've been "executed better"? By adding wordplays, metaphors and multi-syllabic rhymes in the end of every bar and more complex rhyme schemes? You realize this is an R&B album right? It's (Lyrically, and musically) better than most of the albums and even fucking pitchfork gave it a 9.5 which is the highest rating since MBDTF alongside Bon Iver's album, and everybody agreed with them. But here you go, even though Earl gave a little something for our "lyricism" heads

Again, that quote's about one song, not the whole album. And yes I realize it's an R&B album, I even fucking said it....multiple times. I don't want any multi-syllabic rhymes on the end of every bar and more complex rhyme schemes, nor did I even mention them. I only commented on Forrest Gump with these quotes. I agree the rest of the project is lyrically thought provoking, but Forrest Gump isn't. It's just a gay love ballad. It's not different than a straight love song, it's just the other way around. Nothing different except it's from a gay perspective. Oh, and Earl ruined that track for me by the way, I've even said that was the low point of the whole album....multiple times. He was good lyrically, but I don't care. He sounded like shit, Earl that is. Oh yeah, I also admittedly praise TDE affiliates because I happen to like their music. I however don't go after you for expressing your opinion on G.O.O.D./Roc Nation affiliates and signees. You who has claimed that 2 Chainz isn't shit, Big Sean a good rapper, and even once said Chief Keef was the best in his rap sub-catagory.

I think it better than Nas's album, and yeah, album of the week. However, Nas and Frank are in basically two different genres, so it's a hard comparison. Frank only does hip hop on the side of his singing. He should just ditch hip hop because he's much better at singing, and that's not to say he's a bad rapper. He's just a better alternative/R&B/pop artists. Yes, he is somewhat a pop artist on some tracks, don't have a heart attack because that's not necessarily bad unless he's not being unique. Also, this album deserves some of the praise it is receiving but not all of it. It's being grossly overrated due to him coming out of the closet. Anyway, I really like Lost, Pyramids, Bad Religion (disagree with the message however), Pink Matter, and Forrest Gump (I like the vibe and singing, but I can't relate to the subject matter so I might not be playing it as long as some of the other tracks.) Anyway, I'd say it's a 8.5/10, and I'd rate Nas as a 8/10.

You're only trying too hard to flow against the river. It's pretty understandable if you don't like the album but to relate its reviews through silly excuses and call it overrated is as preposterous as it gets. If you can't understand why the album has gotten so much applause and critical acclaim then really don't even try to debate about it.

Maybe you're overrating it, ever think about that? I'm giving an opinion. I even said, again...multiple times that I liked the fucking album. I said it was better than Nas's album, I even agree it was one of the better albums of this year. I bought the album, I've listened to it multiple times. I see the appeal. Maybe you shouldn't debate my posts if you don't read them all and see my stand point. And by the way, 8.5/10 is a high rating for me. I don't usually give out anything higher than 8/10 simply because it doesn't feel right for me to put anything in the 9-10/10 range, that's just me.

But then again, just like every new album, it's getting received well and critically acclaimed literally EVERYWHERE, but our little TR-soldiers have to go against the flow and call it overrated. Sit still in your own world, folks.

Yeah, definitely.

I'm out.

Cool, go back to KTT where everything Kanye related is overrated. This includes Frank Ocean.

Edit: Forgot to add one last thing, Frank Ocean coming out of the closet and being somewhat related to the hip-hop genre is unique for the mainstream. It's the same reaction to Eminem being anti-gay when he came out, which they thought he was because he said faggot a lot. Frank's just coming from the opposite stand point, and you can't act like that hasn't gotten him more fans and major attention on the internet for the past few days. Him coming out of the closet has literally been every where on the internet, which a lot of people seem to use last time I checked. Sure, he will have backlash but not as much as an artist in the last generation (I guess that's where you are coming from by mentioning David Bowie, am I right?) because this newer generation, which is more active on the internet than the last, is much more accepting to homosexuals and bisexuals than any generation before it. There are iTunes comments that say things like, "Supporting a fellow gay, go Frank!" Yeah, being gay won't help his sales or ratings at all.

http://www.queerty.com/watch-is-eminem-trying-to-one-up-frank-oceans-coming-out-20120711/

http://www.suntimes.com/entertainment/conner/13706153-452/rb-star-frank-ocean-makes-media-waves-with-admission-hes-gay.html

http://www.periscopepost.com/2012/07/hip-hop-star-frank-ocean-comes-outs-as-bisexual-his-debut-album-channel-orange-earns-rave-reviews/

[Mr. Porter]

Album's awesome.

[Man1x]

Golden Girl (feat. Tyler, Tbe Creator) will be on the physical releases. Here it is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkggNyE5ZoA

[Cube23]

I don't like how people are downplaying this album and saying it's getting praise that is not deserved. If you like it, you can obviously see how someone (such as myself, and others) can possess absolute adoration and be in love with this album. It's not for everyone, but I find it to be easily better than Life Is Good, even though that album is solid.

It's not an album you can fully understand after one, two, or three listens. I'm on my ninth listen and am a still picking things up.

And yes, this is some of my favorite music ever.

[Man1x]

I don't like how people are downplaying this album and saying it's getting praise that is not deserved. If you like it, you can obviously see how someone (such as myself, and others) can possess absolute adoration and be in love with this album. It's not for everyone, but I find it to be easily better than Life Is Good, even though that album is solid.

It's not an album you can fully understand after one, two, or three listens. I'm on my ninth listen and am a still picking things up.

And yes, this is some of my favorite music ever.

I'm not downplaying it. It deserves most of the praise it's getting but it's not the best album ever. I like it, and again, I see the appeal. I agree it's better than Life is Good as well, and I've listened to it about 7-11 times, some songs more than others. My highest played song is Forrest Gump at 11 plays with the other songs being some where around 7-9. I'm just saying that it shouldn't be called revolutionary, which is praise, until it revolutionizes something. It hasn't changed the direction of music yet, so that is an obvious, indisputable overrating. You can call it groundbreaking, unique, or innovative. On some songs I'd agree with those descriptions, other's I won't. It's an amazing album which I've stated but don't act like it's not being overrated to an extent. Read my posts, unless you're lazy, to understand my views. If you have, then I'm sorry, but don't criticize me until you do. And honestly, I could careless if its your favorite music ever, your entitled to your opinion and I don't see anything wrong with it. I just ask that I'm entitled to mine. It's not like I'm saying the album is bad in any stretch of the imagination, what do I have to do? Call it perfect and say it has created harmony on Earth? I mean what the fuck. Look at what you all are arguing over, me having an opinion over an album because I don't think it's perfect.

[Cube23]

I'm not downplaying it. It deserves most of the praise it's getting but it's not the best album ever. I like it, and again, I see the appeal. I agree it's better than Life is Good as well, and I've listened to it about 7-11 times, some songs more than others. My highest played song is Forrest Gump at 11 plays with the other songs being some where around 7-9. I'm just saying that it shouldn't be called revolutionary, which is praise, until it revolutionizes something. It hasn't changed the direction of music yet, so that is an obvious, indisputable overrating. You can call it groundbreaking, unique, or innovative. On some songs I'd agree with those descriptions, other's I won't. It's an amazing album which I've stated but don't act like it's not being overrated to an extent. Read my posts, unless you're lazy, to understand my views. If you have, then I'm sorry, but don't criticize me until you do.

Well, I wasn't really referring to you. We already settled our little discussion and we understood where we were both coming from. It's an amazing album and will possibly be revolutionary and has been revolutionary to me, as a music listener.

[Man1x]

I'm not downplaying it. It deserves most of the praise it's getting but it's not the best album ever. I like it, and again, I see the appeal. I agree it's better than Life is Good as well, and I've listened to it about 7-11 times, some songs more than others. My highest played song is Forrest Gump at 11 plays with the other songs being some where around 7-9. I'm just saying that it shouldn't be called revolutionary, which is praise, until it revolutionizes something. It hasn't changed the direction of music yet, so that is an obvious, indisputable overrating. You can call it groundbreaking, unique, or innovative. On some songs I'd agree with those descriptions, other's I won't. It's an amazing album which I've stated but don't act like it's not being overrated to an extent. Read my posts, unless you're lazy, to understand my views. If you have, then I'm sorry, but don't criticize me until you do.

Well, I wasn't really referring to you. We already settled our little discussion and we understood where we were both coming from. It's an amazing album and will possibly be revolutionary and has been revolutionary to me, as a music listener.

Understood, it has the potential. That's merrily the point I'm trying to get across. I'm not saying it's bad at all. Oh, and I'm sorry I forgot that it was you that posted that comment.

[Blu]

channelORANGE is a perfect album, guaranteed classic from Frank. R&B might not be your thing, but the production, lyrics, and Frank's singing really make the album awesome. Especially since this is coming from a member of OF?

11 plays of "Forrest Gump"? Man I have 43 plays of "Pink Matter", 40 plays of "Bad Religion" and 40 plays of "Forrest Gump". You need to listen to the album in depth, listen to it A LOT, to really get the full experience and start enjoying it. You'll understand the praise once you do. I understand it's being hyped a lot right now since it was just recently released, but honestly it's some of the best music I've heard in a while. Frank really outdid himself, I'll even go to say he outdid The Weeknd's Echoes Of Silence (some songs at least).

I think most of the people on this forum need to start listening to more Frank and Weeknd to really vibe with this type of music. Most of the people here are centered on hip hop and don't accept any other genres. Earl does make an appearance on "Super Rich Kids", however I haven't listened to that song since yesterday so I can't really say how well his verse was. Oh well.

Anyways, I think Pitchfork was right with their review, channelORANGE deserves a solid 9, but I'm glad they gave it a 9.5 at least.

[Solace]

I saw somewhere on Odd Future Talk that he said somewhere that he was actually high when he recorded it (Earl)^

[Solace]

I've also read he said he was sick too and feels he could've done better...Where the fuck these OFT and KTT members heard this though is a mystery to me, I don't follow Earl much.

[Cube23]

Earl posted that on Twitter.. He was extremely high and very sick when he recorded his verse. I thought it was great either way.

[Solace]

Oh alright, Thanks for the info.