I think it might be over for mixtapes.

[Blu]

The way things are, you have to actually clear the sample for a mixtape in order to use it. It's wack, I know.

For those of you saying, "no, dude, you don't need to clear shit," think again. Mac Miller got hit with that $10 million dollar lawsuit just for sampling.





Only way to avoid this is by using original beats.
Or not performing those songs.

[LIL_B]

woah dere boi

Lil b will live forever tho

[Solace]

I thought it was because they performed it live and got money for those performances.

[Blu]

I thought it was because they performed it live and got money for those performances.

Yeah, but imagine if you had a whole mixtape full of samples.

[Solace]

Millions of underground unknowns still gonna do it and not get caught.

[Blu]

Truuu, the underground folk got it easy. But, if you're a known artist without the money it's safer not to try it unless you wanna get sued.

[Trimss]

Slaughterhouse is going to get sued too.



inb4theyre2underground

[momentsgolden]

I fucking hate this with a passion man. How would Mac Miller have had the pull to clear the "samples" or w/e before touring if he was an unknown with no output at all? Its not easy to find DOPE producers on one's first/ second/ breakout mixtape. So now we are back to stifling creativity and forcing corporate labels (which have the money and political connections to sample clearances ) to dictate whats good on the free circuit? Dont people realise hip-hop was BORN because people where making music without the need for money or "equipment." The genre is supposed to give a voice to the poor and marginalized and this was one of the last avenues they got to do that...

The only person i feel has a legitimate concern is the guy who is suing game when he gave him an ORIGINAL and exclusive beat to which Game used with no credit. That i can agree to a legal backlash.

[ShadysDisciple]

I fucking hate this with a passion man. How would Mac Miller have had the pull to clear the "samples" or w/e before touring if he was an unknown with no output at all? Its not easy to find DOPE producers on one's first/ second/ breakout mixtape. So now we are back to stifling creativity and forcing corporate labels (which have the money and political connections to sample clearances ) to dictate whats good on the free circuit? Dont people realise hip-hop was BORN because people where making music without the need for money or "equipment." The genre is supposed to give a voice to the poor and marginalized and this was one of the last avenues they got to do that...

The only person i feel has a legitimate concern is the guy who is suing game when he gave him an ORIGINAL and exclusive beat to which Game used with no credit. That i can agree to a legal backlash.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

[Blu]

I fucking hate this with a passion man. How would Mac Miller have had the pull to clear the "samples" or w/e before touring if he was an unknown with no output at all? Its not easy to find DOPE producers on one's first/ second/ breakout mixtape. So now we are back to stifling creativity and forcing corporate labels (which have the money and political connections to sample clearances ) to dictate whats good on the free circuit? Dont people realise hip-hop was BORN because people where making music without the need for money or "equipment." The genre is supposed to give a voice to the poor and marginalized and this was one of the last avenues they got to do that...

The only person i feel has a legitimate concern is the guy who is suing game when he gave him an ORIGINAL and exclusive beat to which Game used with no credit. That i can agree to a legal backlash.

Momentsgolden speaking da truth out here ya heard?

[Manly Moose]

I fucking hate this with a passion man. How would Mac Miller have had the pull to clear the "samples" or w/e before touring if he was an unknown with no output at all? Its not easy to find DOPE producers on one's first/ second/ breakout mixtape. So now we are back to stifling creativity and forcing corporate labels (which have the money and political connections to sample clearances ) to dictate whats good on the free circuit? Dont people realise hip-hop was BORN because people where making music without the need for money or "equipment." The genre is supposed to give a voice to the poor and marginalized and this was one of the last avenues they got to do that...

The only person i feel has a legitimate concern is the guy who is suing game when he gave him an ORIGINAL and exclusive beat to which Game used with no credit. That i can agree to a legal backlash.

Its not that Mac "sampled" that would imply that he made the beat, he didnt he just jacked some producers beat without asking and didnt give any credit. Sample clearance has been around for a long time and is very justified, everybody gets the shit cleared before doing something official. When Em tried putting mixtape songs on his album he had acted like an adult with a brain, tried to get clearances and when he couldnt he redid the fuckin song.

Copyright is important.Thats say your an old blues musician in your 60s and you hear your shit on the radio except slightly sped up and with some rapper talking about his rims, you should have a say in your art being used and you should be compensated, cause from the the old timey musician POV (and its most likely true) the beat is the entire reason the song is a hit and the rapper isnt really doing anything. Sample clearances protect and compensate actual musicians from being exploited.

However free mixtapes, which is whats being argued, do not usually cost the rapper anything and there is no need for clearance, if hes finding samples and making his own beat (Like EVERYBODY did back in the 80s and 90s if they didnt want to ask for help from a producer) he can release the tape and make a name for himself. However, Mac did not do this and just found a premade beat and stole it from a producer trying his best to become known, the producer probably would have been happy to have given Mac the beat but since Mac is an asshole and an idiot the producers just trying squeeze out any juices hes got.

You talk about not being able to afford/find DOPE producers in your first or 2nd mixup, that not being able to have that is oppressing creativity. A good rapper does not need DOPE producers to break out he needs good raps. Of course its hard, its not supposed to be easy. In your situation the only creative person is the producer who your saying should be ripped off by no talent hacks. No one needs good equipment to create great hiphop but you do need some goddamn effort and your statement only applys to little fucks who apply none into their creations. Look at what Hopsins doing, thats how its supposed to be done.

-note a good deal of my statement isnt directed at Mac (though I cant say Im a fan). Also this post may seem like I'm yelling, thats not the intended effect.

[momentsgolden]

Dude, i realise that Mac Miller used the whole beat and thats why i put samples in quotes. He was being a dick in refusing to give credit and unless that shit is on radio/t.v/ itunes i still maintain my stance. Do you realise how little people will be able to interpret/ use other people's music if this happens? Imagine a gospel singer who travels from club to club singing a track by a famous person... should that get cleared too? Imagine a guitarist who plays popular songs in between his solos at shows and concerts... should that get cleared too? Its the FREE music circuit, find a way to use it to your advantage but this will just destroy amateurs ability to begin.

A good rapper does not need DOPE producers to break out he needs good raps. Of course its hard, its not supposed to be easy. In your situation the only creative person is the producer who your saying should be ripped off by no talent hacks.

50 cent made a name by covering people's tracks. So did John Connor and Elzhi recently. C4 by Kendrick had arguably his best production up until that point (debatable i know) and was therefore an easier listen for Lil Wayne fans wanting to give him a spot. Jojo was irrelevant until she covered Marvin's room. Justin Beiber was famous on Youtube for covering people's songs. Jean Grae got a record deal only when she covered rappers tracks on The Bootleg of the Bootleg EP. The point-? None of these people could afford or had the ability to clear the music that they used to make them famous. Their skill level was maintained but their exposure increased exponentially as the famous person's song made the audience interested in their work. Its the artist INTERPRETATION of the particular work of art that makes us like them not the beat they are on lol. If someone adds no creativity, personality or individuality to it then they will be ignored like the million white boys who rap over Eminem beats.

Look, i want to manage a friend of mine who is a rapper and believe me when i tell you... its IMPOSSIBLE to create a full fledged mixtape without either Diggy Simons money (nigga got Premier) or sampling people's beats heavily. The songs that we play that get reactions from people are usually the ones with a well known vocal sample ( A millie, one blood, in the morning). There are literally MILLIONS of rappers all over the world and covering is one of the most reliable break-out strategies. Like Terrace martin said (one of the youngest vets in the game) "there are only seven or 8 producers in the world and the rest of us are just beatmakers"

[Atone]

i guess i should stop making music,



lol that will never happen