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[Accor]

While I definitely agree with what you're saying about the album, I don't see how you can say this and praise Recovery. Wasn't that aimed at a demographic? Didn't he cancel an album so he could please people who were upset with Relapse? I find Recovery just as generic as Slaughterhouse's album. I've actually heard people call WT:OH Slaughterhouse's version of Recovery lol.

Well because despite that definitely being true (and I have massively criticized Em for doing that, and am personally bothered about it, and think it was a really bad move artistically) - Recovery still houses some incredible music, I don't feel SH's album does.

I couldn't describe a single song off SH's album as incredible or even amazing personally, where as Recovery? "Cold Wind Blows", "Going Through Changes", "Space Bound", "Cinderella Man" and "Almost Famous" in particular, are all amazing songs to me.

And even the songs I haven't named, Em's performance on them is pretty amazing in a lot of places, putting the occasional corny puns aside. Em's delivery, vocal energy and style; and stylistic evolution in writing (like on "Space Bound" and "25 to Life" especially) was very noteworthy. It's a hugely entertaining album with a lot of merit, and some truly truly satisfying high-points.

I don't feel the same about SH's material. If they had aimed at demographics and produced amazing songs, regardless; good music is good music, but I just felt almost all of it either falls flat or is just, boring. Nobody blew me away with their performances even, where as Em's last verse on "Cinderella Man"? or some of his pure outbursts and flusters... there's no comparison. Regardless of how many multi's people wanna count or how many corny puns they wanna quote, nobody in SH comes close to being in the same breath as even CURRENT Em in terms of creating interesting or engaging material, or crafting songs; OR in terms of energy, delivery and pure vocal presence.

Recovery has generic and annoying production, but the material is still very interesting. "Love the Way You Lie" as another example; he nailed that theme to the wall with a dark, relentless beauty.

I guess we disagree on a lot about that album. There's only 3 songs I still listen to occasionally. Going Through Changes is great. Spacebound is good as well and would be even better if the theory of it being about his drug addiction was true. Even if it isn't, it was still well executed. And I LOVE Seduction.

Everything else is barely listenable imo. Bad beats, bad punchlines, unoriginal concepts (25 To Life, uhg).. To me it just sounds compromised as fuck.

[EminemBase]

While I definitely agree with what you're saying about the album, I don't see how you can say this and praise Recovery. Wasn't that aimed at a demographic? Didn't he cancel an album so he could please people who were upset with Relapse? I find Recovery just as generic as Slaughterhouse's album. I've actually heard people call WT:OH Slaughterhouse's version of Recovery lol.

Well because despite that definitely being true (and I have massively criticized Em for doing that, and am personally bothered about it, and think it was a really bad move artistically) - Recovery still houses some incredible music, I don't feel SH's album does.

I couldn't describe a single song off SH's album as incredible or even amazing personally, where as Recovery? "Cold Wind Blows", "Going Through Changes", "Space Bound", "Cinderella Man" and "Almost Famous" in particular, are all amazing songs to me.

And even the songs I haven't named, Em's performance on them is pretty amazing in a lot of places, putting the occasional corny puns aside. Em's delivery, vocal energy and style; and stylistic evolution in writing (like on "Space Bound" and "25 to Life" especially) was very noteworthy. It's a hugely entertaining album with a lot of merit, and some truly truly satisfying high-points.

I don't feel the same about SH's material. If they had aimed at demographics and produced amazing songs, regardless; good music is good music, but I just felt almost all of it either falls flat or is just, boring. Nobody blew me away with their performances even, where as Em's last verse on "Cinderella Man"? or some of his pure outbursts and flusters... there's no comparison. Regardless of how many multi's people wanna count or how many corny puns they wanna quote, nobody in SH comes close to being in the same breath as even CURRENT Em in terms of creating interesting or engaging material, or crafting songs; OR in terms of energy, delivery and pure vocal presence.

Recovery has generic and annoying production, but the material is still very interesting. "Love the Way You Lie" as another example; he nailed that theme to the wall with a dark, relentless beauty.

I guess we disagree on a lot about that album. There's only 3 songs I still listen to occasionally. Going Through Changes is great. Spacebound is good as well and would be even better if the theory of it being about his drug addiction was true. Even if it isn't, it was still well executed. And I LOVE Seduction.

Everything else is barely listenable imo. Bad beats, bad punchlines, unoriginal concepts (25 To Life, uhg).. To me it just sounds compromised as fuck.

"Cinderella Man" is a great concept, "Almost Famous" is a great concept, very well executed... "Love the Way You Lie" is great storytelling and descriptive writing, and totally nails the theme of domestic violence; very visually... I think "W.T.P." is a really fun and satisfying song too... it's a silly theme without being goofy, is angry and biting... I think "Cold Wind Blows" is badass as fuck, there isn't really a bad song on there for me. The only song I could perhaps call bad is "Won't Back Down", "Talkin 2 Myself" is a bit boring but still brilliantly executed (in terms of rapping)...

As for "25 to Life", we all know Common did the concept; it's a common concept / theme, Kanye did his version, and now Em has done his. But the way Em did it is still totally Eminem, it's much more intense and I think very well done, especially the way in which he chooses not to reveal the line till the end; he created much more emotion and energy and detail with the idea.

[Coast2Coast]

Going Through Changes is the best song on Recovery i understand you may not like it Eminembase but for how deep it is and how it connects on a real level of inspiration to people who love this song just how the lyrics are so heart felt, the classic sample, the way it's expressed

[Coast2Coast]

My bad EminemBase great to know you appreciate real heart felt music like GTC