If you're atheist..

[J.R.]

sorry if i came off as an asshole, didnt even intent to do that.

most "agnostics" or even christians go by the argument "better to believe in that in case god exists"

yeah, nobody knows for sure if god exists, but for the lack of evidence (and evidence of the bible and other "holy books" being nothing but contemporary stories) i doubt he exists, which is why you could consider me atheist
Okay? I get there's a lack of evidence, thanks for sharing your atheist.
by your description, youd be an atheist too. as nobody KNOWS for sure whether there is a god or an invisible flying plant somewhere, everyone would theoretically be agnostic, its a matter of believes, and as you doubt it, youd be an atheist
Not necessarily. You're basically claiming that its either one extreme or the other, you either OMG don't believe that he exists, or OMG He's real. No. I slightly doubt it, that doesn't make me atheist, because I'm still not for sure, meaning I don't know what I am, Meaning I'm agnostic. You misinterpreted, not me. I never claimed that everyone who doesn't know if he's real or not is agnostic, simply that if you don't know for certain if you believe he's real, then you are. That's where I lie. I slightly doubt it, but by what this post you've made says, that makes me agnostic? umm..

if you express doubts over my claim i can read minds, you dont believe me, but you dont know for sure if i can or not, so youd be agnostic to my claim? If I express full doubt, I'd be atheist. If I express slight doubt, but still wasn't sure, as in I believed it may be possible, but I wasn't going to put faith for or against it, then I'd be agnostic. We're getting somewhere, even with that "comparison"

whether you take part of an argument or not, that doesnt change your inner believes.. unless you are mentally unstable and/or very easily influenced
dafuq

but nice ignoring of my contribution to the thread and instead referring to the 3 lines you misinterpreted as offending.
Why thank you.

Replied in underline/Bold in your quote.

[J.R.]

The fact you don't care about my beliefs shows you came in here to post yours , say "I'm right," and leave if anyone argues.

Fuck off faggot, I see why everyone hates you.

[J.R.]

There's no part where you flat out said where your right, dipshit. You came in this thread, posted your beliefs, then said you didn't care about mine. That shows that you believe your right and your not open for debate or change, so what's the fuckin point?

If that doesn't make sense, fuck off, because I'm not replying til after detox.

[Eedee]

There's no good reason to believe there's anything after death.

Your brain is what controls you and everything you see, hear, touch, smell, realize, etc etc. Your brain is YOU, it's your world, it's how we know we exist and whatnot.

When you die, your brain shuts off, it stops working. That's it, that's all there is to it. If your brain shuts off, you're done, bye bye, there's NOTHING. Nothing happens. You don't rise from your dead body and see everything then float off somewhere else because your brain is SHUT OFF. It's done for. Nothing.

Just like before you were born, you didn't exist - when you die, you cease to exist anymore. It's quite simple and people who are afraid of death make up bullshit fairy tales to make them feel better.

Better to just accept what happens and live your life to the fullest because this is the only one you get.

[classthe_king]

There's no good reason to believe there's anything after death.

Your brain is what controls you and everything you see, hear, touch, smell, realize, etc etc. Your brain is YOU, it's your world, it's how we know we exist and whatnot.

When you die, your brain shuts off, it stops working. That's it, that's all there is to it. If your brain shuts off, you're done, bye bye, there's NOTHING. Nothing happens. You don't rise from your dead body and see everything then float off somewhere else because your brain is SHUT OFF. It's done for. Nothing.

Just like before you were born, you didn't exist - when you die, you cease to exist anymore. It's quite simple and people who are afraid of death make up bullshit fairy tales to make them feel better.

Better to just accept what happens and live your life to the fullest because this is the only one you get.

This is the most plausible and rational conclusion but it is not 100% certain. We have no idea what happens after death and it is certainly possible that something does happen.

[Slim Fiasco]

There's no good reason to believe there's anything after death.

Your brain is what controls you and everything you see, hear, touch, smell, realize, etc etc. Your brain is YOU, it's your world, it's how we know we exist and whatnot.

When you die, your brain shuts off, it stops working. That's it, that's all there is to it. If your brain shuts off, you're done, bye bye, there's NOTHING. Nothing happens. You don't rise from your dead body and see everything then float off somewhere else because your brain is SHUT OFF. It's done for. Nothing.

Just like before you were born, you didn't exist - when you die, you cease to exist anymore. It's quite simple and people who are afraid of death make up bullshit fairy tales to make them feel better.

Better to just accept what happens and live your life to the fullest because this is the only one you get.

This. And seriously, it'd be actually dope if there was an afterlife, but the idea is too illogical and just plain ridiculous. I'm sorry.

And all believers believe in god because they were taught so by their parents, I'm completely sure that if a person never heard of the notion of God or what have you, it would never cross their mind. Well, not in this day and age.

[tadpole25]

and you believe that there's no god or afterlife..

Then what the fuck do you think happens?

Eternal sleep?

Dreaming like mind state?


Or something else?


I'm personally Agnostic.

Think of it this way. What do you think happens before you are conceived?

[Eedee]

^ @ Rise

Religions begun when people had no idea how the Universe worked, so they made up "God" to explain it. Nowadays, we have ways to understand the natural world and how it works. We no longer need God. As Neil deGrasse Tyson put it, "God is the ever receding pocket of scientific ignorance".

Now, if you want to say that the "whole universe thing" doesn't make sense (what does this even mean?), how do you understand God? Yes, the Universe is HUGE. It's basically unfathomable, but we have ways to know it. It's called science. How do you understand God if you can't even understand the fundamentals of the Big Bang? Basically what you're doing here is the argument from ignorance (which is a logical fallacy...) by saying you have no idea how the Big Bang works (how'd it begin? How'd x happen if there was nothing before x, etc) and attaching your ignorance to God and calling it good. It's bullshit.

What was before the Big Bang? We don't know. We'll admit that. It's awesome we don't know because it's something for us to find out. Maybe our Big Bang was just from another Universe where something was sucked into a black hole and that shot out the "other side" and made our Universe. Who knows. We're working on the problem and that's the best thing about science. We're okay with saying we're ignorant about something and trying to figure it out the best we can. What made the Big Bang happen? Again, we don't know. But applying God to anything we don't know doesn't get us anywhere. Instead it makes us look lazy.

How is a Universe created from nothing? See my above paragraph. Maybe there wasn't nothing. Maybe there was. We just don't know and that's awesome that we're figuring it out.

Basically what I'm trying to say is, we don't know the answers, and applying God to the ignorance is plain lazy. Instead, we should try to figure this shit out.

Also, if I really cared, what you did was a red herring (which is also a logical fallacy). The topic at hand (or at least what you replied to) was about the afterlife. But instead of offering anything to support your argument you ask and delude the topic with other non-related questions. I'm not saying the questions are substantial or that they're stupid, I'm only saying they don't relate to the topic of the afterlife at all and should stay out of a topic of the afterlife.

[Emadyville]

I had a very civilized "conflict of opinions" i'll say with a co-worker on saturday, and all i remember is my him saying god created man. I asked who created god and he said god was just always here. I asked why couldn't man 'just always be here' and he replied 'because god created man' and then i stopped.

[Eedee]

where do you get this stuff from man, so now I'm ignorant because I believe in God?, well....

Go FUCK ur self you PIECE OF SHIT... DON'T YOU EVER DIS RESPECT ME EVER AGAIN...I WILL FUCKING MOP THE FLOOR WITH UR HEAD U FAG..GO FUCKING FUCK A FAG YOU GAY BITCH. YOU HAVE NO EVIDENCE IN ANYTHING YOU SAY OR TALK ABOUT....U THINK SO FUCKED UP...GO LIVE UNDER A ROCK AND I DON'T GIVE SHIT YOU ABOUT U OR YOUR FUCKING OPINIONS AND COMMENT YOU PIECE OF FUCKING SHIT!!!!!

Maybe our Big Bang was just from another Universe where something was sucked into a black hole and that shot out the "other side" and made our Universe.

look man you can keep making up whatever bullshit you want lets assume this was the case, ok what made that previous universe? there had to be an "original universe". Look there is just no way the big bang coul happen on its own, there was nothing before, no universe, time didn't exist so the big bang couldn't happen since the big bang created time.

Lol I see what you did there on the first part.

Unless you were being serious, then you were calling us ignorant for "believing" in the Big Bang. We're both ignorant when it comes to why the Universe came to be. However, there's evidence for Big Bang and none for God... That's all I'm saying. Don't get so worked up.

And for the last part of your post, the Big Bang happened. That's a fact. Everything traces back to that one moment where everything came to be at a single instant. That's the Big Bang. Turn on your TV. That static? That's background radiation FROM the Big Bang. It comes from everywhere, every direction in the Universe. You can't say the Big Bang didn't happen. It did. What you CAN say is "why did it happen? How?" ... we don't know and we're figuring it out. But it DID happen, that's a fact.

I'm sorry if I upset you, wasn't my intention.

[Slim Fiasco]

Yeah, I mean, what was there before the big bang or before whatever is currently impossible to explain and it's a sort of a paradox because there's no end to the universe and there has to be something before or beyond any limit. However, god is certainly a less plausible option. I mean, I'd sooner believe that something like the big bang happened than the possibility of a magical creature with those powers. I mean, doesn't that sound just ridiculous to people? And also, the same logic can apply with God. If he created the world who created him and what was there before god? There had to be something.

Now I don't want to shit on people's opinion or say that they are stupid for believing in God, however, they need to stay at believe, which is much different than claiming. That's my problem with religious people, when they start claiming stuff. Of course, science can't offer an absolute proof for anything but it's definitely more logical i.e. makes more sense and is supported way more with facts/physical evidence.

God is just a talk from people who supposedly have seen him in the past but that's no different than me saying I met an alien yesterday. You'd more than likely ask me for a proof, but moreover just not believe me from the start. And if you ask, then how come those people believed it then, then let me tell you this. If so many people can believe it in this age with all the science to our disposal than certainly, a bunch of ignorant people from 2000 years ago who couldn't explain shit could fucking believe it as well.

[CrashBand]

then how did religions begin in the first place?

lmao, um..

someone had to start them

There we go.

personally I do believe in God because the whole universe thing just doesn't make sense

This is stupid logic and reasoning to believe in god.

> I don't know how life started
> No one knows
> Therefore Dragonite started it

yes the big bang theory is supposed to explain it but what made the big bang happen? what was there before the big bang happened? how is a universe created from nothing?

You can apply all of these questions to God if you think God exists.

What made God happen?
What was there before God?
How was God created from nothing?

[classthe_king]

Carl Sagan once said,

"If God created the universe, we must then ask the next logical question: what created God? We might say God came from nothing, or that God always existed. If we say that God came from nothing, why not skip a step and say the universe came from nothing? If we say that God always existed, why not skip a step and say the universe always existed?"

And that sums it up perfectly for me. Stephen Hawking even said

“One could say: "The boundary condition of the universe is that it has no boundary. The universe would be completely self-contained and not affected by anything outside itself. It would neither be created nor destroyed. It would just BE. So long as the universe had a beginning, we could suppose it had a creator. But if the universe is really completely self-contained, having no boundary or edge, it would have neither beginning nor end: it would simply be. What place, then, for a creator? What I have done is to show that it is possible for the way the universe began to be determined by the laws of science. In that case, it would not be necessary to appeal to God to decide how the universe began. This doesn't prove that there is no God, only that God is not necessary.”

@Rise, these are the two best quotes for explaining how the universe was created without a god. Basically it was never created, it has just always existed. The Big Bang was a result of the universe collapsing on itself after losing all entropy and then exploding again. Obviously this is not fact but it's the best conclusion we can come to at the moment. I hope this helps you understand

[classthe_king]

I never called you ignorant that was the joke dude I thought you would understand anyways I never said the big bang didn't happen, I think you've mistaken me for something im not, I believe both in God and in science I love reading about the universe and watching the documentaries and whatnot its very interesting! I said the big bang happening on its own is pretty much impossible because the big bang created time, before that there was no time in which the big bang could happen, the bible only says God created the universe it doesn't say how, what if the big bang was the way God created the universe?

Because just because we don’t know doesn’t mean that you can make something up. We do not have enough available date to put forth a comprehensive scientific explanation yet, but it is an extraordinary leap of illogic to say that because we don’t understand something that means that it must have been god. This logic is the same that looks at the sky and assumes that lightning must be getting thrown down here by Zeus. Even if we could prove that there was an uncaused cause, that says nothing about who or what that cause was, we could just as easily argue that since there is no scientific explanation, the universe must have been the result of the cosmic flatulence of a giant space turtle who was tripping on acid – this theory would be an equally viable explanation of an unknown and equally substantiated by evidence.

There is also no reason to assume that the original cause wasn’t a natural process. Every phenomenon that we have ever observed has thus far been shown to be of a natural origin, we have no basis to doubt that this one will also have been anything but a natural process as well. It is even unlikely, based on our prior experiences, that there is anything but natural causes and origins. Earthquakes are no the result of god shaking the earth with his hands so much as it is a known mechanic involved in plate tectonics. Each time science has shed light on a similar phenomenon; the gap for god to hide in has closed. Why should why think that when we do have these answers we will discover that cosmology is the dark gap that he has been hiding in all along?

[classthe_king]

You can believe in anything you want, that doesn't make it right. I'm just pointing out the flaws in your logic.