Common wrote:Le Tunisien wrote:naaah it's just there is a certain line that you dont cross.. and he crossed it.....when someone makes a thread just to insult a specific religion and its prophet and the people following him...why would i prove him wrong if all what hes doin and the words he uses are totally wrong and cant be tolerated , i just say fuck em and smile
seriously , do we make spoons for shits?
The words I used are totally wrong? Guess you don't believe in the Quran then:
"She was a very old woman, wife of Malik. Her daughter [and another] were also taken. Zayd ordered Qays to kill Umm Qirfa and he killed her cruelly by putting a rope between her legs and to two camels and driving them until they rent her in two." (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 980)
Zayd is Mohammad's son, acting on his orders. How is me questioning Mohammad's actions crossing a line, yet him torturing people, murdering his own followers, and having sex with a 9 year old NOT crossing a line? Damn.
okay ,
You may have had bad experiences with muslims, there for be on bad terms with them, but that doesn't mean you can go around expressing your hatred for them, anyplace and anywhere. In fact, you need to learn how to be respectful to all of mankind, look at people and get to know them before judging and labelling them. Not all muslims are bad, religions tend bring out good people and the misleaded bad people too.
Nevertheless, your'e a fool for talking this way. As for your question, i will defend the muslims.
i'll answer you even though you sound like an islam's enemy..simply hating
wether you like it or not , the last religion and the last holy book that god sent to the world by his messenger muhammed is Islam .
so i'll correct what you said,
first of all that conspiracy was created to attack islam as a religion, and the story got twisted and it aint like that
1- It was the Tribe of Fazara, which was headed by Umm Qirfa, who first attacked Muslims who weremerely on trading journey.
2- They killed Muslims and took their merchandise.
3- Muslims made a counter attack to punish the trigger-happy tribe.
4- There is no authentic report whether Holy Prophet (PBUH) ordered her killing specifically. Infact itwas Zaid bin Harith (RA) who ordered her killing as she was, being the leader of the tribe, responsiblefor all that happened. And we just read Zaid himself had seen their aggression and merely survived it.
5- Her killing was perfectly justified as she led her tribe to commit violence against Muslims. She wasno innocent a woman and was rather a hostile enemy.
6- The manner she was killed was not ordained by the Prophet (PBUH) but was carried on by the peoplewho had undergone the terror practiced by her men. It was a reaction by such people; nevertheless itgoes against the mannerism taught by Islam. And though such a behavior is deplorable, it is Umm Qirfaherself who is to be held responsible for such a reaction.
7- No authentic report makes any mention of her head being brought to the Prophet (PBUH) and thenparaded in the streets of Medina. This is a myth and a lie! The books these slanderers produce as areference are no authority as they are not written by trustworthy people and no authentic report in any of the classical books gives even a hint to such a happening
and for the 9 years old girl, okay..One wonder how such a respectable well-to-do father as Abu-Bakr, would give his beloved daughter `Aisha to be "molested" and with the blessings of his wife? And how come none of the watchful critics and archenemies of the Prophet never raised any question about this marriage, even though they were, like some of today's critics, eager to find any fault that may discredit the Prophet? This signifies that the marriageable age in that culture at that time, may be in other cultures and times as well, considered reaching adolescence [which may take place earlier in some cultures] as an acceptable marriageable age. The fact that that they were three years gap between the marital agreement and the dwelling of Aisha with the Prophet seems to support the existence of this custom. In fact, Aisha was engaged to another person before her parents decided to marry her to the Prophet instead. This shows how common this practice was. Needless to say that the successive increase of the minimum marriageable age, after reaching adolescence, is an arbitrary matter based on cultural and social norms, which is subject to change with time, culture and other circumstances.
There you go, you werent there at the time so you dont know. And any smart muslim would know that this is not acceptable at this time and this society. Bye
