Eminem is above rap's expectations?

[EminemBase]

A lotta what you say EminemBase is presented well some good examples the only slight issue i have is ok you dont like all his introspective music but you can i hope understand why so many adore it to those who love it it really is amazing to us

But that's where you're wrong.

I do like his introspective music, some of his greatest tracks have come out of it. But there's a time and a place for it, and he's done enough material on that now, we have TONS of it, so I don't wanna hear another slew of records on it, I have enough, he's hammered his life issues to death.

It seems like he puts those tracks on his album for the sake of it now, because he knows people expect it, and to try 'balance' the album. I like "Beautiful", and I love "Deja Vu", but I believe Relapse would be a classic without them... in fact "Deja Vu" I would keep, but that's all you need there; it fits the album in style and sound and it perfect being in the place that it is; but that album wasn't about being connected with reality, it was abstract and disconnecting, and it would have been far more effective if that's ALL it was. Just like The Marshall Mathers LP is so effective because it's ALL what it is, he doesn't try to balance it, he just smashes it for what it is.

Where as since... Encore, he's been reluctant to stick to a theme and be relentless with the material, he always thinks "oh, better have x track for these fans, or y for these", which makes it not as good, because he's second-guessing his instincts, and that's how you get mixed, unfocused albums, or albums with a lack of identity (Recovery).

When he used to do it back in the day it arose naturally because he was living through those issues or they were only just in the rear view, and he did them naturally and they fit his albums and enhanced them. And even with Recovery, it was valid; he had just come back from an overdose and he had some shit to rap about, but it's not the only trick in the book, we know Em can rap articulately about his life issues and make it emotionally resonant and effective...

So I'm not excited to hear more of that. I want creativity; concepts, originality, new ideas, new presentations, I want to be blown away.

[Slim Fiasco]

And when your music relates to so many people and it has a personal connection emotionally then that is also gonna be a huge factor

Aftermathers confirmed.

[StatQuo]

A lotta what you say EminemBase is presented well some good examples the only slight issue i have is ok you dont like all his introspective music but you can i hope understand why so many adore it to those who love it it really is amazing to us

But that's where you're wrong.

I do like his introspective music, some of his greatest tracks have come out of it. But there's a time and a place for it, and he's done enough material on that now, we have TONS of it, so I don't wanna hear another slew of records on it, I have enough, he's hammered his life issues to death.

It seems like he puts those tracks on his album for the sake of it now, because he knows people expect it, and to try 'balance' the album. I like "Beautiful", and I love "Deja Vu", but I believe Relapse would be a classic without them... in fact "Deja Vu" I would keep, but that's all you need there; it fits the album in style and sound and it perfect being in the place that it is; but that album wasn't about being connected with reality, it was abstract and disconnecting, and it would have been far more effective if that's ALL it was. Just like The Marshall Mathers LP is so effective because it's ALL what it is, he doesn't try to balance it, he just smashes it for what it is.

Where as since... Encore, he's been reluctant to stick to a theme and be relentless with the material, he always thinks "oh, better have x track for these fans, or y for these", which makes it not as good, because he's second-guessing his instincts, and that's how you get mixed, unfocused albums, or albums with a lack of identity (Recovery).

When he used to do it back in the day it arose naturally because he was living through those issues or they were only just in the rear view, and he did them naturally and they fit his albums and enhanced them. And even with Recovery, it was valid; he had just come back from an overdose and he had some shit to rap about, but it's not the only trick in the book, we know Em can rap articulately about his life issues and make it emotionally resonant and effective...

So I'm not excited to hear more of that. I want creativity; concepts, originality, new ideas, new presentations, I want to be blown away.

i think he makes that type of music like no other he just the best at it he has a way of making people feel those songs, the emotion and words and the balance of his lyrics and message with amazing singing on the hooks he does like no other artist in rap has ever managed too. It's why he the highest seller ever and the most iconic rapper and producer ever

[EminemBase]

A lotta what you say EminemBase is presented well some good examples the only slight issue i have is ok you dont like all his introspective music but you can i hope understand why so many adore it to those who love it it really is amazing to us

But that's where you're wrong.

I do like his introspective music, some of his greatest tracks have come out of it. But there's a time and a place for it, and he's done enough material on that now, we have TONS of it, so I don't wanna hear another slew of records on it, I have enough, he's hammered his life issues to death.

It seems like he puts those tracks on his album for the sake of it now, because he knows people expect it, and to try 'balance' the album. I like "Beautiful", and I love "Deja Vu", but I believe Relapse would be a classic without them... in fact "Deja Vu" I would keep, but that's all you need there; it fits the album in style and sound and it perfect being in the place that it is; but that album wasn't about being connected with reality, it was abstract and disconnecting, and it would have been far more effective if that's ALL it was. Just like The Marshall Mathers LP is so effective because it's ALL what it is, he doesn't try to balance it, he just smashes it for what it is.

Where as since... Encore, he's been reluctant to stick to a theme and be relentless with the material, he always thinks "oh, better have x track for these fans, or y for these", which makes it not as good, because he's second-guessing his instincts, and that's how you get mixed, unfocused albums, or albums with a lack of identity (Recovery).

When he used to do it back in the day it arose naturally because he was living through those issues or they were only just in the rear view, and he did them naturally and they fit his albums and enhanced them. And even with Recovery, it was valid; he had just come back from an overdose and he had some shit to rap about, but it's not the only trick in the book, we know Em can rap articulately about his life issues and make it emotionally resonant and effective...

So I'm not excited to hear more of that. I want creativity; concepts, originality, new ideas, new presentations, I want to be blown away.

i think he makes that type of music like no other he just the best at it he has a way of making people feel those songs, the emotion and words and the balance of his lyrics and message with amazing singing on the hooks he does like no other artist in rap has ever managed too. It's why he the highest seller ever and the most iconic rapper and producer ever

His introspection isn't why he's the most iconic/biggest ever. It's part of it, but what made him gigantic was his originality and his provocation, and concepts.

Em would not be as huge or iconic without "Stan", without "Guilty Conscience", without "Lose Yourself", also... "Sing for the Moment", which is a socio-political song, rather than straightforward introspection. That's partially what made people resonate with his personality and struggle, but it's not what made him huge and iconic.

[StatQuo]

Well everyone including myself considers social political songs as introspective you can call songs like Sing For The Moment, Mockingbird, Lose Yourself, We As Americans, Not Afraid introspective, thought provoking, deep that's what people like myself that listen to Eminem for these songs like

[ShadysDisciple]

Oh god, you again...

[ShadysDisciple]

Oh god, you again...

What?