EminemBase vs. Blu - God

[CrashBand]

What are your reasons / evidenc for believing in god?

[classthe_king]

Even if we don't convince you, eventually youe kids will be convinced, or their kids, or their kids. Religion is dying.

"When they leave, instead of switching churches, they join the growing ranks who do not identify with any religion. Nearly one in five Americans say they are atheist, agnostic or “nothing in particular.”

This is a significant jump from only five years ago, when adults who claimed “no religion” made up about 15 percent of the population. It is a seismic shift from 40 years ago, when about 7 percent of American adults said they had no religious affiliation.

Now, more than one-third of those ages 18 to 22 are religiously unaffiliated. These “younger millennials” are replacing older generations who remained far more involved with religion throughout their lives."

http://richarddawkins.net/news_articles/2012/10/14/study-finds-that-the-percentage-of-protestant-americans-is-declining-nytimes-com#.UHtp-TljAlJ

[Guess_Who]

You guys can argue forever and ever. But this will be an endless debate and you will never agree. The oldest debate in history. The world is divided by this and nobody is going to convince anyone.

I disagree with this.

It's not a pointless argument and I don't think it will be an endless debate. The internet is a major factor giving religion less places to 'hide behind'.

And people are going to be convinced, lol. Correct me if I'm wrong, but from what class said, he was borderline a Christian or at least brought up in a Christian home.

And even if Le Tunisian stays strong, doesn't budge, keeps denying and stays deluded. Other members, who are not as extreme or as close minded, will read this debate or many other debates on youtube etc. and will see that there isn't any good reasons to believe in a god.

I even think someone like Menzo will eventually come round. When he's ready is fine by me.

haha people have been arguing about religion since day 1, and you think you can convince people on an internet forum?
You can't make a believer, stop believing in God. You can open the eyes of a believer about many bad things the church is doing. But that's all you will get.

Catholic church banning the use of condoms, that's crazy. Catholic churh going against gays, that's crazy too. That's the real problem. And not people believing in God. People should be free to believe in what they want, God, Superman or Batman, as long as their beliefs don't affect others in a bad way, and that's where the problem is, because it's clear catholic church do a lot of bad things , some good ones too. But should we consent the bad ones when it goes against the human rights? No.

[classthe_king]

You guys can argue forever and ever. But this will be an endless debate and you will never agree. The oldest debate in history. The world is divided by this and nobody is going to convince anyone.

I disagree with this.

It's not a pointless argument and I don't think it will be an endless debate. The internet is a major factor giving religion less places to 'hide behind'.

And people are going to be convinced, lol. Correct me if I'm wrong, but from what class said, he was borderline a Christian or at least brought up in a Christian home.

And even if Le Tunisian stays strong, doesn't budge, keeps denying and stays deluded. Other members, who are not as extreme or as close minded, will read this debate or many other debates on youtube etc. and will see that there isn't any good reasons to believe in a god.

I even think someone like Menzo will eventually come round. When he's ready is fine by me.

haha people have been arguing about religion since day 1, and you think you can convince people on an internet forum?
You can't make a believer, stop believing in God. You can open the eyes of a believer about many bad things the church is doing. But that's all you will get.

Catholic church banning the use of condoms, that's crazy. Catholic churh going against gays, that's crazy too. That's the real problem. And not people believing in God. People should be free to believe in what they want, God, Superman or Batman, as long as their beliefs don't affect others in a bad way, and that's where the problem is, because it's clear catholic church do a lot of bad things , some good ones too. But should we consent the bad ones when it goes against the human rights? No.

If you couldn't make a believer stop believing in God then there wouldn't be any atheists...everyone was once a believer.

[SliK]

There aren't many normal people who follow the bible anymore.

[classthe_king]

[classthe_king]

lol says the kid who got bullied his entire life and considered commiting suicide

Haha that's wrong on so many levels that I don't even need to address it.

I'm not getting into a personal flaming war with you though because you've been schooled in the god argument so many times that's all you can resort to.

[Eedee]

@ Menzo ^

Much respect.

[CrashBand]

@Menzo, get your scrotum ready.

You argue your side calmly but I don't think you argue your side well - there are know good arguments for the abrahamic gods, so it's not your fault.

And yes, I did mean 'form an atheistic view'. I just think you'll 'come round' because your not an idiot.

The awkward moment when your parents are Christian, so that makes it that little bit harder.

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haha people have been arguing about religion since day 1

Well no. When religion was first made up it wasn't questioned at all. It was our way of explaining things.

You can't make a believer, stop believing in God. You can open the eyes of a believer about many bad things the church is doing. But that's all you will get.

I think this is an amazingly close-minded and patroninsing view. Do you really think believers will just keep believing forever? even in the face of reason and arguments.

Catholic church banning the use of condoms, that's crazy. Catholic churh going against gays, that's crazy too. That's the real problem. And not people believing in God. People should be free to believe in what they want, God, Superman or Batman, as long as their beliefs don't affect others in a bad way, and that's where the problem is, because it's clear catholic church do a lot of bad things , some good ones too. But should we consent the bad ones when it goes against the human rights? No.

I brought this up earlier but I think irrational thought is inherently a bad thing. Yes, people should be able to believe in what they want. Same way they should be able to say what they want - that doesn't mean saying racist remarks isn't inherently bad.

So sorry, the real problem is 'beleving in god'. All the other bad things are a result for people not reasoning and holding this blind faith.

People should question things. Religion doesn't allow for this. Not at all.

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What are your reasons / evidence for believing in god?

hmmm I dont know maybe because I can believe in whatever the fuck I want

Lol. Get the fuck over yourself.

With statements like this, and the fact you can't answer this question, we need to remove you from the conversation.

[Block]

Atheists make me chuckle. Then again, so do Christians and any other religion... I guess I'm at a loss. To say Atheism isn't a religion is ridiculous.

[Eedee]

Atheists make me chuckle. Then again, so do Christians and any other religion... I guess I'm at a loss. To say Atheism isn't a religion is ridiculous.

To say it IS is ridiculous. Religion revolves around beliefs, atheism is a lack of beliefs...

[Willy]

Given that:

1. Humans truly don't have free will.
2. Everything in the observable universe is predictable if given enough variables.

I think our illusion of choice as well as all our perceptions are a direct result of a computer simulation being run by a species of greater intelligence. Our entire universe operates under the parameters outlined by the simulation, hence why everything is calculable and free will cannot possibly exist. So, I guess in a way this makes me a creationist? Even so, I'm not driven by the same underlying motives. If what I believe is true, our existence is pretty unremarkable, I think the best we can do is derive as much happiness as possible before we bite the dust.

Also, I realize this just pushes the problem of defining the cause of existence one step back. But maybe the reason we can't answer "How does something, come from nothing" is simply because we weren't programmed to do so. Much in the same way you wouldn't expect a turtle in Mario to question its existence and start sending you text messages about why he exists...you can't expect us to be able to understand a problem outside of our scope of thought, or outside of what we were programmed to do.

And we as a species are getting closer to creating a simulation of our own with the growing processing power of technology.. Maybe our legacy is to improve upon our current universe with the one we create?

[Eedee]

^ Wrong thread, I think.

[CrashBand]

Given that:

1. Humans truly don't have free will.
2. Everything in the observable universe is predictable if given enough variables.

I think our illusion of choice as well as all our perceptions are a direct result of a computer simulation being run by a species of greater intelligence. Our entire universe operates under the parameters outlined by the simulation, hence why everything is calculable and free will cannot possibly exist. So, I guess in a way this makes me a creationist? Even so, I'm not driven by the same underlying motives. If what I believe is true, our existence is pretty unremarkable, I think the best we can do is derive as much happiness before we bite the dust.

Also, I realize this just pushes the problem of defining the cause of existence one step back. But maybe the reason we can't answer "How does something, come from nothing" is simply because we weren't program to do so. Much in the same way you wouldn't expect a turtle in Mario to question its existence and start sending you text messages about why he exists...you can't expect us to be able to understand a problem outside of our scope of thought, or outside of what we were programmed to do.

And we as a species are getting closer to creating a simulation of our own with the growing processing power of technology.. Maybe our legacy is to improve upon our current universe with the one we create?

You are still making a leap of faith. In the absence of evidence.


And quantum physics fucks your premise 2.

[CrashBand]

Atheists make me chuckle. Then again, so do Christians and any other religion... I guess I'm at a loss. To say Atheism isn't a religion is ridiculous.

I feel this was at least somewhat directed at me?

If so, care to elaborate on why you think Atheism is a religion?

I think that's a pretty absurd claim.