EminemBase vs. Blu - God

[classthe_king]

I have no idea what I'm arguing for, so I'm going to play the role of the ignorant peasant that I've become so accustomed to doing. You know, just like the Christians and other religious fools that I attempt to belittle.

I translated your post to make it a bit more accurate.

Wow you've come to the point of attacking me personally and didn't say anything about the actual argument, I could have NEVER saw that coming.

Let's go through your criteria.

Narrative:

Let's state the definition of Atheism real quick. Atheism: the belief that there is no god. Hmm, upon inspection there doesn't seem to be any narrative there. It doesn't tell any story or state how anything happened. That's 0/1.

Experimental:

Let's go back to the definition of Atheism real quick, the belief that there is no god. After careful inspecting this there doesn't seem to be anything about experiences there. 0/2

Social:

I can't remember what Atheism means so let's state it again real quick, the belief that there is no god. Wow, I know that is a long and complicated definition but I don't think there is anything in it that meets this criteria. 0/3

Doctrinal:

Atheism- the belief that there is no god. Had to state it again in case somebody forgot it. Let's see, outside of it stating that atheists don't believe in a god there doesn't seem to be any doctrine associated with it at all. 0/4.

Ethical:

Wait, what is atheism again? Oh yeah, the belief that there is no god. Wow, it looks like that definition right there says absolutely nothing about ethics. Atheists are free to have any ethics that they want. 0/5.

Ritual:

In case you didn't know atheism is the belief that there is no god, so according to that definition, which may be confusing to some, there are no rituals associated with atheism. 0/6.

Material:

The belief that there is no god, the simple definition of atheism. Wow so it looks like according to that definition atheism says nothing about materials or how certain things should be treated. Looks like atheism hit 0/7 on the religion scale.

Concluion:

Atheism is the belief that there is no god. That is all. Every other thing you stated are other things that have absolutely nothing to do with religion because atheism, as we have already stated, is simply the belief that there is no god.

Thank you for being here, make sure you come back next week to hear me explain why not playing basketball is not considered a sport.

[Block]

Let's go through your criteria.

Narrative:

Let's state the definition of Atheism real quick. Atheism: the belief that there is no god. Hmm, upon inspection there doesn't seem to be any narrative there. It doesn't tell any story or state how anything happened. That's 0/1.

So evolution isn't a narrative of where everything came from?

I'm completely disregarding the rest of your post due to this right here. Your logic is beyond incomprehensible. You have absolutely no grasp of what you're arguing about. You constantly assert personal opinion and misconstrued garbage as factual premise.

If evolution isn't a narrative, what is it? What's the basis of a narrative to you? Or do you not have a concept of that word, either?

The rest of your post can't even contend. You obviously didn't read my post. If you had, you'd realize that the logic is infallible and that Atheism does, in fact, fit the description of a religion.

There are CHURCHES for Atheism, for fuck sake.

[CrashBand]

Let's go through your criteria.

Narrative:

Let's state the definition of Atheism real quick. Atheism: the belief that there is no god. Hmm, upon inspection there doesn't seem to be any narrative there. It doesn't tell any story or state how anything happened. That's 0/1.

So evolution isn't a narrative of where everything came from?

I'm completely disregarding the rest of your post due to this right here. Your logic is beyond incomprehensible. You have absolutely no grasp of what you're arguing about. You constantly assert personal opinion and misconstrued garbage as factual premise.

If evolution isn't a narrative, what is it? What's the basis of a narrative to you? Or do you not have a concept of that word, either?

The rest of your post can't even contend. You obviously didn't read my post. If you had, you'd realize that the logic is infallible and that Atheism does, in fact, fit the description of a religion.

There are CHURCHES for Atheism, for fuck sake.

You can be an atheist and not believe in evolution, btw.

Atheists just claim that since there is no evidence to support the existence of a god, then until proven otherwise there is no reason to believe that one exists

[Block]

Let's go through your criteria.

Narrative:

Let's state the definition of Atheism real quick. Atheism: the belief that there is no god. Hmm, upon inspection there doesn't seem to be any narrative there. It doesn't tell any story or state how anything happened. That's 0/1.

So evolution isn't a narrative of where everything came from?

I'm completely disregarding the rest of your post due to this right here. Your logic is beyond incomprehensible. You have absolutely no grasp of what you're arguing about. You constantly assert personal opinion and misconstrued garbage as factual premise.

If evolution isn't a narrative, what is it? What's the basis of a narrative to you? Or do you not have a concept of that word, either?

The rest of your post can't even contend. You obviously didn't read my post. If you had, you'd realize that the logic is infallible and that Atheism does, in fact, fit the description of a religion.

There are CHURCHES for Atheism, for fuck sake.

You can be an atheist and not believe in evolution, btw.

Atheists just claim that since there is no evidence to support the existence of a god, then until proven otherwise there is no reason to believe that one exists

You can also be religious / adhere to religious law and not believe in God. Buddhists, for example.

Big bang / Evolution is the common explanation of how things came to be, as explained by Atheists. You can also be Christian and not believe in the creation story. It works both ways. To argue one against the other is silly.

[classthe_king]

So evolution isn't a narrative of where everything came from?

Yes, but evolution has nothing to do with atheism. There is no code of Atheism that says to be an atheist you must believe in evolution.

I'm completely disregarding the rest of your post due to this right here. Your logic is beyond incomprehensible. You have absolutely no grasp of what you're arguing about. You constantly assert personal opinion and misconstrued garbage as factual premise.

lol the irony

If evolution isn't a narrative, what is it? What's the basis of a narrative to you? Or do you not have a concept of that word, either?

Already answered this

The rest of your post can't even contend. You obviously didn't read my post. If you had, you'd realize that the logic is infallible and that Atheism does, in fact, fit the description of a religion.

There are CHURCHES for Atheism, for fuck sake.

omg lol

[Block]

Yes, but evolution has nothing to do with atheism. There is no code of Atheism that says to be an atheist you must believe in evolution.

Evolution has everything to do with Atheism. This is why you're a terrible advocate for what you're arguing.

I'm completely disregarding the rest of your post due to this right here. Your logic is beyond incomprehensible. You have absolutely no grasp of what you're arguing about. You constantly assert personal opinion and misconstrued garbage as factual premise.

lol the irony

I can't seem to find irony in the fact I've provided sufficient proof to back everything I've said. Whereas you choose to constantly contradict yourself.

If evolution isn't a narrative, what is it? What's the basis of a narrative to you? Or do you not have a concept of that word, either?

Already answered this

Evolution / big bang is commonly accepted as "how things came to be" within the Atheistic community. For fuck sake, YOU attempted to belittle me for not believing in it. Doesn't that tell you something? You're obviously passionate about it; as are most atheists. Stop contradicting yourself.

The rest of your post can't even contend. You obviously didn't read my post. If you had, you'd realize that the logic is infallible and that Atheism does, in fact, fit the description of a religion.

There are CHURCHES for Atheism, for fuck sake.

omg lol

Truth surprises you? I'm sure your ego can handle it.

[Eedee]

There are churches for atheism?

And no, evolution is not a prerequisite for being an atheist, or vice versa.

[Block]

There are churches for atheism?

Yes. Google it.

And no, evolution is not a prerequisite for being an atheist, or vice versa.

No one said it is. What was said is that it is widely accepted.

[Willy]

2. Theoretically, if everything in our universe is mathematically explainable including our consciousness, we can use the explanations as parameters in a universe we program as long as the computer has the processing power to keep up. These universes are already being attempted.

3. You really think a majority of creationists want an explanation, or the comforting illusion that their life has divine purpose and meaning?

Well those are definitely both reasons why people believe in a creator.

But again, you are using a leap of faith to believe this.

To try and explain things we don't know about the universe. But your explanation still leave questions, that are even harder to answer.

But those aren't the reasons why I believe this, which was my point.

What are ya questions?

EDIT:

To defend Block, Satanism is an atheist church.

[CrashBand]

You can be an atheist and not believe in evolution, btw.

Atheists just claim that since there is no evidence to support the existence of a god, then until proven otherwise there is no reason to believe that one exists

You can also be religious / adhere to religious law and not believe in God. Buddhists, for example.

A religion has a set of beliefs, not necessarily god. Buddhists believe in karma, for example.

Big bang / Evolution is the common explanation of how things came to be, as explained by Atheists. You can also be Christian and not believe in the creation story. It works both ways. To argue one against the other is silly.

Well, you aren't really a Christian then are you? Are you saying you could believe everything in the Koran, for instance and still be a Christian?

To be an atheist you don't have to believe in anything else - The Big Bang, Evolution, Gravity, Space-Time, Karma.

You just don't believe in god.

[CrashBand]

But those aren't the reasons why I believe this, which was my point.

It is. To explain things / to make sense of the universe.

I said all those were reasons to believe in a god - explanation, comfort, purpose.

What are ya questions?

You are still stuck in the same position to explain the creator. You have just kicked the can back.

(and now it's an even more complex can to explain, as it created us).

[Block]

Beyond anything, and I've said this before in the other thread, we don't know one way or another. There's no way to explain how or why things happened or how we got here. We can speculate and assert our opinions as to what happened after everything came to be, but we don't know one way or another how that actually happened. The big bang theory violates the very laws of physics / chemistry, etc. that we have created for ourselves. These laws, since their indoctrination in to the scientific community, have routinely been broken and re-written. Something that may be true today could be completely off-base tomorrow due to a new discovery.

To claim that God definitely doesn't exist is absurd; to claim he definitely does, by the same token, is equally absurd. All we can do is proclaim what our own beliefs are. There's no logic to this world. There's no purpose. Nothing really matters. We're fucking animals spinning on a rock in the middle of bum-fuck nowhere. Our main purpose is to propagate our species. Eat and die. That's it. There's no fucking purpose to us. We create our purposes. Each individual on earth has created his or her own purpose. That's not divine. We're worthless beings that kill everything we come in contact with, with the hope that it will somehow propel us to the top of an imaginary social ladder.

[CrashBand]

And no, evolution is not a prerequisite for being an atheist, or vice versa.

No one said it is. What was said is that it is widely accepted.

The long post said "Narrative is a particularly important aspect of Atheism".

And then went on to explain evolution and the big bang etc.

Whereas, narrative is not only not important but it is unnecessary for atheism.

[CrashBand]

Beyond anything, and I've said this before in the other thread, we don't know one way or another. There's no way to explain how or why things happened or how we got here. We can speculate and assert our opinions as to what happened after everything came to be, but we don't know one way or another how that actually happened. The big bang theory violates the very laws of physics / chemistry, etc. that we have created for ourselves. These laws, since their indoctrination in to the scientific community, have routinely been broken and re-written. Something that may be true today could be completely off-base tomorrow due to a new discovery.

To claim that God definitely doesn't exist is absurd; to claim he definitely does, by the same token, is equally absurd. All we can do is proclaim what our own beliefs are. There's no logic to this world. There's no purpose. Nothing really matters. We're fucking animals spinning on a rock in the middle of bum-fuck nowhere. Our main purpose is to propagate our species. Eat and die. That's it. There's no fucking purpose to us. We create our purposes. Each individual on earth has created his or her own purpose. That's not divine. We're worthless beings that kill everything we come in contact with, with the hope that it will somehow propel us to the top of an imaginary social ladder.

I agree with pretty much your whole post.

But atheists don't claim absolute certainties. That was what my longer, previous post was alluding to - the key difference between atheism and religion and why atheism is not a religion.

We just simply dont believe in a god because there is no evidence for it. The same way you don't believe Dragonite doesn't control the reptiles of the world.

[Block]

You are still stuck in the same position to explain the creator. You have just kicked the can back.

and now it's an even more complex can to explain, as it created us).

Playing devil's advocate here...


Why does the burden of proof lie with the creationist, when the very explanation of how things came to be is a paradox in and of itself? Any theory that can be made, at some point, reaches its pinnacle and can no longer explain how or why. The big bang, for example, constantly contradicts itself by stating that everything came from nothing. That's the number 1 most fundamental law of physics being broken.

Shouldn't be the scientists who explain this?