Kendrick's Off The Top Freestyle

[King Lance]

You're both wrong imo... this is just your experience.
I have a lot of friends who can assure me that it is much easier if they have to do a freestyle on their own.
This has nothing to do with a fact, it's all about your opinion and your experience of freestyling.
The human brain is so complex

[CrashBand]

No it doesn't. That was so impressive because of how fast it happened.Freestyling off your own thoughts are much harder than using things around you. (I'm not talking about battling, but just actual free styling.) Using things around you is a crutch, that's why people do it so much.

Exactly. How quick he reacted to his surroundings to make something coherent and clever.

Rather than spit another generic multi he's used a hundred times and find another way to say he's ill or how he "rhymes the sickest".

[classthe_king]

No it doesn't. That was so impressive because of how fast it happened.Freestyling off your own thoughts are much harder than using things around you. (I'm not talking about battling, but just actual free styling.) Using things around you is a crutch, that's why people do it so much.

Exactly. How quick he reacted to his surroundings to make something coherent and clever.

Rather than spit another generic multi he's used a hundred times and find another way to say he's ill or how he "rhymes the sickest".

Eminem did nothing of the sort though, and nobody ever does. You're using the most impressive example of that ever to make it's case for it. If Eminem had been given the new word in the middle of the line and still finished the line rhyming with that word as if he had intended it to end that way the entire time and it being a clever and funny line then I would concede. That doesn't happen though.

[CrashBand]

I was just saying that example was going against your argument that rhyming about your surroundings is easier.

I disagree, and think the best freestylers can spit amazing, witty lines that are coherent and relevant. As opposed to strings of braggadocio filler that contains rhymes that every writer has used.

[classthe_king]

I was just saying that example was going against your argument that rhyming about your surroundings is easier.

I disagree, and think the best freestylers can spit amazing, witty lines that are coherent and relevant. As opposed to strings of braggadocio filler that contains rhymes that every writer has used.

Nobody spits amazing and witty lines when they're freestyling though lol Eyedea's freestyle was more impressive than a freestyle where you rap about your surroundings like something Okwerdz would do. Eyedea free styling that flow and making it coherent with decent lines and rhyme schemes is a lot harder to do then just rap about what you see.

[CrashBand]

Take out the 'amazing' then. But I think a line that is coherent and relevant to something is more impressive than just a coherent line.

That's why people are so amazed with those examples Amadeo posted.

[classthe_king]

Take out the 'amazing' then. But I think a line that is coherent and relevant to something is more impressive than just a coherent line.

That's why people are so amazed with those examples Amadeo posted.

Yeah but it's not that simple.

1) It's a lot harder to come up with the coherent part when it's on your own than when you're rapping about what's surrounding you
and most importantly
2) Coherent + insane flow > coherent + relevant

No rapper grabbing things from the crowd and rapping about it are spitting as complex and fast flows off the dome as Eyedea and that's way more impressive.

@Amadeo I think it's hard to the untrained eye but for people that watch a lot of rap it's not that hard. Rapper's delivery and word choice are huge giveaways about whether its off the dome or not. And I don't think having a rhyme library in your head and using that when you freestyle is cheating because everyone has a library they use for free styling, it just varies on how big and easily accessible it is. I can't comment on Dizaster though because I don't watch his battles.

[EminemBase]

Nope, I'm not wrong. We just disagree.

Eyedea is not creative or unique in that freestyle, his phrasing is generic as fuck, he starts lines off in some of the most predictable and cheesy ways ever, and his thoughts are boring. He's not particularly witty, and nothing he says strikes much of a cord. More personality my ass.

And really, reverting to stan because we disagree? piss poor.

We all know you love to show how anti-Em you are now, as do this new generation of once-were-Em fans who think it's cooler to constantly state how much they don't listen to him now and how 'blind they used to be' etc. (yeah, I went through that phase at like 13 lmao, have fun) - but claiming somebody is a stan just because they disagree Eyedea is better... absurd.

Dude it's a fucking freestyle, what do you expect? A verse with a bunch of intricate wordplay with a complex theme? We're not talking about written verses, we're talking about free styling, something you obviously know nothing about and it's showing.

What the hell are you talking about;

I don't know about it because I disagree Eyeda's was better? - no, the lines he said, the directions he went in, his phrasing, were all less creative and original than Eminem's.

I realize why you're saying Eyeda's is better, because he reacted spontaneously, because he kept a more constantly packed flow going etc. ; what I am saying is, almost all of the lines out of his mouth were horribly generic, in phrasing and lyricism. Eminem's, weren't, and he also kept an enthusiastic line-to-line comedic delivery going with a dark undertone, Eyeda was boring.

[classthe_king]

Nope, I'm not wrong. We just disagree.

Eyedea is not creative or unique in that freestyle, his phrasing is generic as fuck, he starts lines off in some of the most predictable and cheesy ways ever, and his thoughts are boring. He's not particularly witty, and nothing he says strikes much of a cord. More personality my ass.

And really, reverting to stan because we disagree? piss poor.

We all know you love to show how anti-Em you are now, as do this new generation of once-were-Em fans who think it's cooler to constantly state how much they don't listen to him now and how 'blind they used to be' etc. (yeah, I went through that phase at like 13 lmao, have fun) - but claiming somebody is a stan just because they disagree Eyedea is better... absurd.

Dude it's a fucking freestyle, what do you expect? A verse with a bunch of intricate wordplay with a complex theme? We're not talking about written verses, we're talking about free styling, something you obviously know nothing about and it's showing.

What the hell are you talking about;

I don't know about it because I disagree Eyeda's was better? - no, the lines he said, the directions he went in, his phrasing, were all less creative and original than Eminem's.

I realize why you're saying Eyeda's is better, because he reacted spontaneously, because he kept a more constantly packed flow going etc. ; what I am saying is, almost all of the lines out of his mouth were horribly generic, in phrasing and lyricism. Eminem's, weren't, and he also kept an enthusiastic line-to-line comedic delivery going with a dark undertone, Eyeda was boring.

Basically. Eyedea's lines were cheesy and generic, for a fucking written verse. This is a freestyle, nobody is coming with dope lines, especially not Eminem. What the hell are you talking about enthusiastic line-to-line comedic delivery? That's why I all you a Stan, because Eminem was terrible.

[EminemBase]

^ No, Eyeda's lines were corny and the exact kind of thoughts I hear in any good freestyle, or even good writtens. Yes it was good for a freestyle in technical terms, as in, he was quick and formatted with it, but the lines themselves were meh, hardly anything actually noteworthy.

Eminem was not terrible. He often is terrible (at actually freeing off the top), but the 'any word' freestyle is brilliant, and so so much more original, funny, interesting and just, better than Eyeda's.

Reverting to call me a Stan because we disagree, or calling anybody a Stan who disagrees with you about anything Em-related is pretty pathetic.

[classthe_king]

^ No, Eyeda's lines were corny and the exact kind of thoughts I hear in any good freestyle, or even good writtens. Yes it was good for a freestyle in technical terms, as in, he was quick and formatted with it, but the lines themselves were meh, hardly anything actually noteworthy.

Eminem was not terrible. He often is terrible (at actually freeing off the top), but the 'any word' freestyle is brilliant, and so so much more original, funny, interesting and just, better than Eyeda's.

Reverting to call me a Stan because we disagree, or calling anybody a Stan who disagrees with you about anything Em-related is pretty pathetic.

Give me one line then by Eminem that was original, funny and interesting lmao

Also, Eyedea's flow alone gives him the victory over Eminem because of how terrible Eminem's flow was