Incest

[classthe_king]

They aren't necissarily next of kins though, what rights do a brother and sister really have? They might have ex spouses or children from those spouses that would have more right to their estate than a brother or sister that weren't recognized as husband and wife.

I don't really know how it works, I can't imagine an ex-spouse having that much more power over a sibling though, especially if they made it known in writing that they wanted the sibling to receive the estate.

[SliK]

Of course if its left in writing, but that applies to everyone not just relatives.

[classthe_king]

Of course if its left in writing, but that applies to everyone not just relatives.

I just think that it shouldn't be happening because of what it does to the children. Also, it's not really that similar to gay marriage because gay people can't help that they're attracted to the same sex but you can sort of help loving an individual person. People fall in and out of love all the time, you know that you shouldn't be doing that with a close family member so just don't do it. I guess if you're fucked up enough to want to get married to a family member and not have sex then go for it but it will never get legalized because it's not a big enough issue. There isn't a surplus of people who love their siblings like there are gay people. There will never be movement for it.

[SliK]

They're all pretty social reasons. By saying if you're "fucked up enough to want it", you're taking the same attitude as people who don't agree with gay marriage, so that's the parallel I'm making between the two. Most reasons are social. You're saying you're thinking of the child and that's a reasonable argument. I'm not denying that the chances of defects are higher, but how much higher is it really? Siblings share 50% of their genes. So if they're healthy genes they get passed on without a problem. If they have defective genes that's when there is a problem. So, it isn't as if every brother and sister have a chance of passing on a defect. Technically, between some relatives there is no chance of having a defective child because they each have healthy copies of the genes that get passed on. And then you have unrelated people having children with Down syndrome, huntingtons, etc anyway.

[classthe_king]

They're all pretty social reasons. By saying if you're "fucked up enough to want it", you're taking the same attitude as people who don't agree with gay marriage, so that's the parallel I'm making between the two. Most reasons are social. You're saying you're thinking of the child and that's a reasonable argument. I'm not denying that the chances of defects are higher, but how much higher is it really? Siblings share 50% of their genes. So if they're healthy genes they get passed on without a problem. If they have defective genes that's when there is a problem. So, it isn't as if every brother and sister have a chance of passing on a defect. Technically, between some relatives there is no chance of having a defective child because they each have healthy copies of the genes that get passed on. And then you have unrelated people having children with Down syndrome, huntingtons, etc anyway.

I would have to do more research to know exactly what the effects are so I can't say for sure.

It's not really the same though cause I doubt those people have it hardwired in their brain that they can only love close family members.

[SliK]

I agree with you on that point, it is certainly not an 'orientation' or anything like that. I didn't try to compare the sexuality of people, or why they feel how they feel. I was more interested in the reasoning behind outlawing it. I accept the defective child argument, but what about homosexual incestuous relationships? There are too many "well, that would be ok" situations to completely rule it out.

[classthe_king]

I mean yeah, I bet there are a ton of situations where it would be okay but like I said earlier, how many of those situations actually happen? You'd be hard pressed to find many gay incestuous relationships, and certainly not enough to get a law passed.

[Tash8]

if you're gay, you're gay you can't do anything about it. If you're into your female cousin then you' can do something about it, find another female who isn't your cousin.

It's not the same.

[SliK]

if you're gay, you're gay you can't do anything about it. If you're into your female cousin then you' can do something about it, find another female who isn't your cousin.

It's not the same.

If you love your cousin, you love your cousin. You have no more control over which person you fall in love with than which gender you're attracted to.

And I acknowledge that it's not the same, but what gives YOU or anyone else the right to say that a specific type of love is wrong?

[CrashBand]

Sorry I ignored what you said and didn't finish the paragraph or read any of the comments. lol.

Incest isn't morally wrong, imo. If someone thinks so, I'd like to see a good argument.

The only thing bad about it is it causes birth defects. So that's the difference between Gay couples.

It is wrong in the same way taking drugs while being pregnant is wrong.

[CrashBand]

I skim read most of it in spite of that thread that said not to skim read.

2) Is there anything "wrong" with incest, other than the "taboo" feeling society has created?

This is valid as long as they are not having a child I think. Then a decent argument comes to play.

The same way drinking/taking drugs during pregnancies are frowned upon/morally wrong.

It seems like Class has pretty much said this.

Class, would you then say incest is fine as long as they aren't pro-creating?

And SliK, would you agree it is wrong to pro-create through incest?

[CrashBand]

SliK seething because he can't fuck his sister tbh..

[SliK]

No, I don't think it's wrong to procreate through incest. As I have stated there is a much higher chance of having a child with birth defects simply by being a smoker.
It is theoretically possible that siblings could have 100 kids with no defects, as long as their own genes are healthy.

Also I don't have a sister, I have 1 female relative that I know and it's my mum and I would kill myself before fucking her.

[CrashBand]

Haha. One of my football teammates who's way older than me has had a threesome with his dad, lol.

It was strip poker gone ugly.

His dad's partner gave him a gobby and then his dad started ripping her doggy.

Next thing you know, something hit him in the face.

"That's not birdshit!" his dad yelled.

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edit:

And on topic, regarding the debate--so you're saying, correct me if I'm wrong, that it's not wrong, because, other things that increase likelihood of birth defects are seen as alright.

I don't like this reasoning sorry.

[Tash8]

if you're gay, you're gay you can't do anything about it. If you're into your female cousin then you' can do something about it, find another female who isn't your cousin.

It's not the same.

If you love your cousin, you love your cousin. You have no more control over which person you fall in love with than which gender you're attracted to.

And I acknowledge that it's not the same, but what gives YOU or anyone else the right to say that a specific type of love is wrong?

what the fuck? no. If you love your cousin then move on and eventually you'll fall in love with someone else..you act like there's only one person u can fall in love with? if so, that's unrealistic ideology, there's millions of different people we're compatible with.