Incest

[SliK]

It wasn't that I was tempted to "bash" your family, but I'll try to explain how "inbreeding" works and why it can potentially create disabled babies.

Basically, every human has two copies of the same gene. Often a dominant gene and a recessive gene. When two strangers have a baby, they have a total of 4 of the same genes (2 in each partner). This means the baby will receive one from the mother and one from the father. If one of the partners have a faulty gene and that gets passed onto the child, chances are the other partner will have a good copy of it so the child will have at least one good working copy of that gene.

When relatives procreate, say say siblings for example, the diversity on genes is limited. What that means is, because the siblings received their genes from the same parents they share 50% of their genes. So if they both have a defective copy and a good copy of the same gene, the chances that the baby will receive two defective copies increased.

Now, cousins share far far less than 50%. That's just a scientific fact that you would learn in 7th grade. So the chances of cousins having a defective baby are obviously less than siblings for example.

Now, if your family already had an increased amount of defective genes, they would have a higher chance of having disabled babies than cousins who had a very healthy gene pool.

[CrashBand]

Where did you post a source?


And to back up Tash, if you fall in love with your cousin you can help that. Stop talking to your cousin, stop seeing your cousin, go on dates with other girls, eventually you'll move on and love somebody else.

Even if you can eventually move on.

Given that it's not easy. Why should someone have to?

[classthe_king]

Where did you post a source?

First page, 5th post...
You even quoted the post with the source smh

Ahh fuck, I thought you meant recently so I was only checking since I stopped posting

[classthe_king]

Where did you post a source?


And to back up Tash, if you fall in love with your cousin you can help that. Stop talking to your cousin, stop seeing your cousin, go on dates with other girls, eventually you'll move on and love somebody else.

Even if you can eventually move on.

Given that it's not easy. Why should someone have to?

Because it's what you should do...you can't have kids with that person so you'll never be able to start a family (unless you adopted) and it's generally fucked up. Why would you not have an equally loving relationship with someone that's not in your family so that it can be normal and you won't be socially outcasted.

[CrashBand]

I don't think someone should or should not do something in the fear of being socially outcasted.

That's same reasoning can be applied so that people should not act on their homosexuality or they should not go out with someone ugly.

[classthe_king]

I don't think someone should or should not do something in the fear of being socially outcasted.

That's same reasoning can be applied so that people should not act on their homosexuality or they should not go out with someone ugly.

Meh, I don't really think it's the same.

[Tash8]

Omg I almost let Tash have it.

lol. You used an erroneous example by choosing gay marriage; and you wanted to let me have it because no could understand what you really meant to say?

I have never said gay relationships and incestuous relationships are the same. I am saying the way people think about them

well actually, you kind of have and I disagree.

"What I mean by that is, what argument can you think of that applies to homosexual marriage, that supports their cause, that doesn't also support incest?"

People don't think of gay marriage and incesteous relationsihps as the same and they shouldn't because they aren't. Gay/lesbian is based on sexual preference, something you can't control, right? Falling for your cousin on the other hand is the same as falling for any other woman.
There's a difference between saying you cannot have this select person verses saying no man can have any other man and no woman can have relations with another woman. Now I understand where you're coming from. You say that its society that has an issue with this, and that's true. Its not anymore gross than gay sex (for straigt people) or hetro sex (for gay ppl.) Again, I have no issue with this so stop getting so bent out of shape. I only have an issue with comparing it to gay marriage. That is wrong; because being gay is not a choice, while falling for your cousin and actually acting on it is a choice.

[CrashBand]

Jesus Christ.

It's the same because there isn't a good reason for people to say people shouldn't practice incest.
And people that support Gay rights are hypocritical.

And importantly, falling in love with someone isn't a choice, lol.

How inconsistent of you putting the 'acting on it' at the end there. Being gay and acting on it is a choice as well.

[SliK]

English clearly isn't your first language so something is being lost in translation.

[Guess_Who]

My God, you guys are mixing all, gays, or ugly people have nothing to do with incest.

I don't say you can't fall in love with your cousin or whatever (feelings can be uncontrollable), but if you do, carrie the consequences and don't have kids, because they most likely will have down syndrome or another problem. Humas are done to relate with people with different genes. If someone has a relation with the cousin is going to be less problematic than if it is the brother or father ( disgusting) but still a problem.

[CrashBand]

First of all, I'm not mixing up anything, lol.

If the reason for why people shouldn't do incest is 'fear of being outcasted by society'. Then the same reasoning can be applied where people shouldn't do anything that could be outcasted by society.

And to your second point - SliK has already responded to this. By your standards, you should then be against all smokers having kids.

[Guess_Who]

I don't think: Cousin sex = Down syndrome

Not necesary, but many times. I'm in a spanish site that explain this. I will resume as I can.

down syndrome and another problems, are because a defective recessive gene that is hereditary. If one person has it, it's possible that the cuisin has it too, and if one person has it, almost sure the brother or sister has it too, as much close the family ties is more possible. two people together with this recessive gene, the child has a good chance of having down syndrome. One person with this gene with a person with another genes won't have the problem.

With a stranger you might share some other flawed gene. But with your sister you won't share one or 2, you will share many and any one of them can have very unpleasant consequences.

[SliK]

I've already explained that, and logic dictates that if the gene pool is clean there will be no problem at all

If the Down syndrome gene was so common that all families had it and all families were at risk then it wouldn't matter if we were related or not because if it was that common we'd all be at risk from each other anyway.

[CrashBand]

Yeah. I'm not sure if I trust SliK's statistics.

[SliK]

Yeah. I'm not sure if I trust SliK's statistics.

I'm only relaying information I have found while researching the issue. It's not like I made them up to try to prove a point. If you can find a source that disputes anything I have posted I would be very interested to read it. I have based my opinion on the information I have been able to gather. I'm not selectively reading articles that will only support my position. Brothers and sisters, parent and child, there is definitely an increase in the chance of having a disabled baby. With cousins the risk seems too low to really matter.