Animal Abuse

[Guess_Who]

Look at the incoherence in your post, yo start saying "What makes one life worth more than another? There is no argument that you could make that would convince me it's ok to kill something and not another" and you finish with "You are drawing a line somewhere between spiders and cats, I'm drawing that same line between cats and humans". You are contradicting yourself.


It might sound very beautiful to say every life worth the same, but can you compare kill an insect with kill a human being? because I'm not even going to enter on that debate.
I'm sure everybody here has ever killed a mosquito. Someone has killed a dog?
Would you think the same of someone who killed an spider because it was annoying that of someone who has killed a horse because it was annoying? Oh come on...

You kill cats, but you don't kill humans, so you don't think every life worth the same. But it seems you and me have the cats in a different appreciation scale.

[SliK]

No, I'm saying I personally will never kill a human but I don't think all humans are above being "put down".

[Alex2012]

the human beings are gifted to cause animal's extinction, first they let the cats proliferated and put in danger the wild life and now they find nothing better than exterminating cats with pain.

[classthe_king]

Are you kidding me? Because I'm a normal person. If I wasn't I could get a gun and start to kill every living thing around. But I'm such a pussy.

Are you comparing a spider with a cat? Really? Because we can get into another long debate... Is the same to kill a mosquito than to kill a person? at another level It's the same with the spider and the cat.

Why is it different though? Your only reasoning is that you shouldn't kill a cat because you don't like killing and it feels pain, well the same goes for spider's and mosquitos.

Also, over a 100 species go extinct every day, regardless of what humans do. Close to 99% of all species that have ever existed are extinct, and humans had nothing to do with most of them.

[Solace]

Killing a living cat and killing a spider or mosquito is totally different. (I am not talking about Cats that are out in the wild) I am talking about house or outdoor cats that people have as pets. A spider or mosquito will bite humans and may even kill us with there bite if they have a disease, where a cat wont. (unless the cat is aggressive)

Because no one on earth in the history of man has ever gotten bitten by a cat

[Guess_Who]

Why is it different though? Your only reasoning is that you shouldn't kill a cat because you don't like killing and it feels pain, well the same goes for spider's and mosquitos.

Do you guys know that the average life of a mosquito is around 15 days? that you kill insects all the time, when you drive, when you walk, when you put your head on the pillow is filled with mites.... Are we comparing this with get a gun and kill a cat or a dog, are we being serious??

[SliK]

I catch huntsmen and release them outside because spiders are an essential part of the ecosystem. I honestly would kill a feral cat before I killed a harmless spider. Why would I kill something harmless, just because its small, over something that causes a great deal of damage to the surrounding wildlife? It's like when farmers have to kill Kangaroos. Nobody goes celebrates the fact it's roo hunting season, but they are over populating the outback and damaging farmer's crops.
Rabbits are a big problem here too, and Cain Toads, and they get actively sought out and killed every day. Now, I love bunnies, I think they are very cute. But wild rabbits are like a plague on this country and I am glad they are being exterminated.

[Solace]

@Solace I have been bitten several times by my cat in the past.

I was being sarcastic to prove that what you were saying doesn't make sense. Of course in the history of mankind people have gotten bitten by cats, even I have been bitten by a cat.

A spider or mosquito will bite humans and may even kill us with there bite if they have a disease, where a cat wont. (unless the cat is aggressive)

You were saying spiders/mosquitos deserve their death because they are a danger to us, where as cats aren't dangers to us because they don't bite us. But they do bite us, so what you were saying is invalid.

[Doodlebug]

Animals - most that are abused - are done because the abuser can't pick on something their own size and strength. They like the control - the power.

To me, I'm more concerned with their total lack of empathy for a living creature that did nothing to them.

Cross one line and the next one gets much easier to cross.

I understand people have bad moments, but kicking or hitting a pet when your angry and you hit to vent your emotions, is not healthy and a person that does this needs to think about that.

Most times - we, ourselves > contribute to situations and then get mad and frustrated when our house of cards comes falling down.

So control your life. Someone is taking advantage of you? Learn that the word NO - comes in handy. (Sorry, no I cant' right now).

Learn that the phone is not a required item to answer as is the front door. Your not required to visit annoying relatives, or have them visit.. Slowly wean people that DO this to you out of your life... slowly.. (sorry have to go, sorry have other plans but was nice to bump into you).

We get angry - and lash out when we lose bits of control... and alot smack their pets or like that guy that bunted the cat. He vented on it.. and the poor cat suffered.

My daughter likes to talk about her b/f and so I talked to her - said, instead of talking to me, talk to him. Hash it out. Does he even know? And odds are you do things that irritate him - so both of you.. communicate -or- not and let it fall apart. Up to you.

Sorry I digress... thing is - my brother smacked our cat a few times and he was a good kid but had trouble at school being bullied.. so I taught him how to defend himself.. and .. well found out he also needed to be taught to not toss in his smart-aleck 2 cents every time hes' got a whim to be cute. People don't often appreciate that. We worked on it and yeah a few times I had to meet his bullies after school and give the 1-2-Do-You-See-Things-MY-Way-Now.. in the back alley > yeah they did.

[Alex2012]

Guys, nothing feels a bullet to the head.

Oh, lol. Yeah I know, what I was going for is that...everything with a brain does essentially feel pain, assuming their death isn't instant

the human beings are gifted to cause animal's extinction, first they let the cats proliferated and put in danger the wild life and now they find nothing better than exterminating cats with pain.

Well...not really. Obviously, humans can catalyze sort of an unnatural rate of extinction for some animals due to poaching and whatnot, but animals can cause other animals to go extinct too.

so give me some example of animals causing other animals extinction, because i don't think you can find one except when it's humans first who disturbed the ecosystem, like in that case, cats didn't come by themselves, that's human who uses cats since a long time to kill rats, it's not their fault if people are not able to sterilize them to prevent their proliferation. It's what they try to do in Venice.

And cats can feel the pain like us, so killing them without to make them suffer it's to be human if that makes sense.

also when i kill a mosquitos i say "i am sorry" if that counts

[classthe_king]

Guys, nothing feels a bullet to the head.

Oh, lol. Yeah I know, what I was going for is that...everything with a brain does essentially feel pain, assuming their death isn't instant

the human beings are gifted to cause animal's extinction, first they let the cats proliferated and put in danger the wild life and now they find nothing better than exterminating cats with pain.

Well...not really. Obviously, humans can catalyze sort of an unnatural rate of extinction for some animals due to poaching and whatnot, but animals can cause other animals to go extinct too.

so give me some example of animals causing other animals extinction, because i don't think you can find one except when it's humans first who disturbed the ecosystem, like in that case, cats didn't come by themselves, that's human who uses cats since a long time to kill rats, it's not their fault if people are not able to sterilize them to prevent their proliferation. It's what they try to do in Venice.

And cats can feel the pain like us, so killing them without to make them suffer it's to be human if that makes sense.

also when i kill a mosquitos i say "i am sorry" if that counts

You don't need an example...99% of extinctions are completely unrelated to humans

[Amaranthine]

I can't believe how easy people get off for animal abuse in a lot of cases. Animal abuse is comparable to child abuse in my book, and the punishments should be the same as well.

[Alex2012]

You don't need an example...99% of extinctions are completely unrelated to humans

you want to bet i need

you're talking about natural extinctions, i'm talking about the way we live and the way
we don't respect the fragile balance of nature.

I can't believe how easy people get off for animal abuse in a lot of cases. Animal abuse is comparable to child abuse in my book, and the punishments should be the same as well.

to stay on topic, my thoughts exactly

[SliK]

I can't believe how easy people get off for animal abuse in a lot of cases. Animal abuse is comparable to child abuse in my book, and the punishments should be the same as well.

How would that work exactly? At what point do you draw the line?
So kicking a dog, in your eyes, is the same as kicking a human child.
What about shaving a cats whiskers so it can't walk straight?
Or pulling off the wings of a fly...
Come on.

[Alex2012]

^ sorry i was teasing Class but i think you would have understood i answered to your post.

I can't think of any examples off the top of my head, but there are tons and tons of animals that don't exist anymore - before the times of humans - and it's not like they just decided to all stop living, lol. Animals hunt each other, if one species begins to overpower another, eventually the one being preyed on will disappear.

so i do now, i agree about all what you said but i tried to point out when animals cause other species extinction scientists call that natural selection, we destroy species by the way we live like you said in your other post.

so what is the difference between what you said and what i said, i just added animals don't cause species extinction deliberately.

something interesting about that because i like that subject, Neanderthals lived in harmony with species for millenia, Homo Sapiens didn't and it's something scientists found out not me.


and you can read that if the subject interests you too.

http://www.mysterium.com/sixthextinction.html