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Re: Faggot

Postby CrashBand » Dec 4th, '12, 15:46

SliK wrote:
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SliK wrote:No word should be offensive, not even faggot or *****.
Just the context. Like if I go "omg you're a fucking cunt" you might be offended simply because I am being aggressive or whatever.

This is where I disagree with you.

Words have meanings. Which can be offensive.

If I call you an idiot. (not being agressive) You may take offense. Simply because of the meaning.

Or I might not, depending on the context ;)

Lol.

Okay, let's say, hypothetically, I called bigray an idiot and I meant it.

I think it's a pretty reasonable inference to say he would be offended.

It is easy to understand why he would get offended/his feeling being hurt.

The same way if I called a gay person a faggot as an insult.

The difference between the two is one is justified (to call someone who is being an idiot an idiot).
And one is not. (calling someone faggot or nigger, as an insult, just because they are gay or black).

Now people turn around and say that n!gga and faggot have different meanings now. But it still stemmed from racism/homophobia and is still used as racism/homophobia.

So I don't like people using it really.

Don't get this confused for me thinking people shouldn't be ab;e to say these words.
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Re: Faggot

Postby SliK » Dec 4th, '12, 15:57

Yeah I get that, but why then is it ok to call bigray an idiot?
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Re: Faggot

Postby CrashBand » Dec 4th, '12, 16:18

SliK wrote:Yeah I get that, but why then is it ok to call bigray an idiot?
He can't help it...

If he is being an idiot. I can say he was being an idiot. Perhaps through pm to you.

But faggot as an insult just because someone is gay is ignorant, arbitrary homophobia.

And faggot as an insult, even if they are not gay, still stems from this. You already touched on why you can justify someone taking offense from the word faggot. Or perhaps class did.
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Re: Faggot

Postby CrashBand » Dec 4th, '12, 16:19

bigray wrote:I personally don't use any of the words except Fag

My example was just a completely hypothetical situation btw.

So SliK wouldn't say "Ha, well... I do not take offense...so there!"
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Re: Faggot

Postby SliK » Dec 4th, '12, 16:21

@Bigray I use the word nigger when I'm rapping a verse with that word in it, don't you? that shouldn't be offensive at all.

@Crash I touched on why people are offended, even though I don't think they should be. Idiot is still a condescending term for someone of lower intelligence. So you can call someone of lower intelligence an idiot, but can't call a homosexual a faggot? :/
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Re: Faggot

Postby CrashBand » Dec 4th, '12, 16:27

Good point.

Although, If someone is being an idiot and a cunt. I think you could say "hey look, you are being an idiot and and you are wrong...here's why"

I don't think you should grab stupid people off the rack and insult them though.

But homophobic/racist insults are idiotic and ignorant. Even if a black or gay person is being a cunt towards you during an argument.
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Re: Faggot

Postby classthe_king » Dec 4th, '12, 18:06

CrashBand wrote:Good point.

Although, If someone is being an idiot and a cunt. I think you could say "hey look, you are being an idiot and and you are wrong...here's why"

I don't think you should grab stupid people off the rack and insult them though.

But homophobic/racist insults are idiotic and ignorant. Even if a black or gay person is being a cunt towards you during an argument.


If you are being racist/homophobic when you say those words then yeah, you definitely shouldn't say them. The point is that you're not being racist or homophobic every time you say faggot or n.igger so people should have the common sense to think about that before reacting.

@bigray, black people would only show a bigger reaction because a black person is more likely to act violently and flip out when they're angry than a gay person is. They are both equally offended.
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Re: Faggot

Postby classthe_king » Dec 4th, '12, 18:58

Are you serious...we've been going around the sensor for years and not one mod or admin has ever gave a shit
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Re: Faggot

Postby classthe_king » Dec 4th, '12, 19:02

No it's not. Show me one time anybody has ever gotten in trouble for going around the sensor
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Re: Faggot

Postby classthe_king » Dec 4th, '12, 19:05

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classthe_king wrote:No it's not. Show me one time anybody has ever gotten in trouble for going around the sensor


1) Spell censor correctly.
2) No, I'm not going to waste my fuckin' time trying to prove your Gollum lookin' ass wrong when I already know it is.


>Knows that I'm right
>Welp might as well start insulting him derp derp

You're pathetic lmao
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Re: Faggot

Postby SajN » Dec 4th, '12, 19:51

classthe_king wrote:No it's not. Show me one time anybody has ever gotten in trouble for going around the sensor

We have given warnings for that... even this year. For example Blu has gotten one.

So... stop going around the censor.
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Re: Faggot

Postby classthe_king » Dec 4th, '12, 20:47

SajN wrote:
classthe_king wrote:No it's not. Show me one time anybody has ever gotten in trouble for going around the sensor

We have given warnings for that... even this year. For example Blu has gotten one.

So... stop going around the censor.


I meant outside of now...as in before I left the first time. Obviously I know nothing about what happened the year I was gone :coffee:
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Re: Faggot

Postby SajN » Dec 4th, '12, 20:51

classthe_king wrote:
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classthe_king wrote:No it's not. Show me one time anybody has ever gotten in trouble for going around the sensor

We have given warnings for that... even this year. For example Blu has gotten one.

So... stop going around the censor.


I meant outside of now...as in before I left the first time. Obviously I know nothing about what happened the year I was gone :coffee:

Oh well...

But now you know, so please respect that :b:
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Re: Faggot

Postby classthe_king » Dec 4th, '12, 20:54

classthe_king wrote:Are you serious...we've been going around the sensor for years and not one mod or admin has ever gave a shit


Obviously referring to the 09-11 years. Why would I be talking about what happened while I was gone :coffee:

And it's stupid, why would you care about something that matters so little? Just let people say whatever they want.


Alright, heres a question I would like to submit

Where do you draw the line with what words are offensive? Is retarded just as offensive as faggot or nigger? Is midget? Both those words are considered offensive to their groups of people now.
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Re: Faggot

Postby CrashBand » Dec 5th, '12, 00:18

classthe_king wrote:
CrashBand wrote:Good point.

Although, If someone is being an idiot and a cunt. I think you could say "hey look, you are being an idiot and and you are wrong...here's why"

I don't think you should grab stupid people off the rack and insult them though.

But homophobic/racist insults are idiotic and ignorant. Even if a black or gay person is being a cunt towards you during an argument.


If you are being racist/homophobic when you say those words then yeah, you definitely shouldn't say them. The point is that you're not being racist or homophobic every time you say faggot or n.igger so people should have the common sense to think about that before reacting.

@bigray, black people would only show a bigger reaction because a black person is more likely to act violently and flip out when they're angry than a gay person is. They are both equally offended.

I touched on this in my previous post.

It stems from homophobic/racist origins and is still used as a homophobic/racist remark.

In hip-hop it would have originated because 'Faggots' (gay people) are lesser forms of people.
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